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kreidertime

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I talked about him getting a restricted offer sheet a month ago you senile clown.
 
Gallant says kakko sat cause he’s trying to win a game. With a crippled strome and a suckball hunt?? Either gallant is gone or kakko is gone. Don’t see how they can be together after this. Will have to trade kakko if that’s what it ends up being to a team that can match any offer sheet he gets. Just do t know what to say about this. This kid is 21 and needs time to develop. Hate the fact if gallant stays he’s gonna get traded
 
I've voiced my disagreement many times in the past about how Kakko (and Lafreniere) has been handled. It would be a shame to just trade him without him ever having a true, real opportunity with a large run of games on the first 2 lines and PP units. I would agree with Brooks that if Kakko is going to not sign an extension (assuming one is offered) and prefers to get to July to hopefully get an offer sheet that he should be traded ahead of that and make him part of a package for a young, established player, preferable 2C.
 
I don't want Gallant fired. You have a GM to lead a coach to what is best for the organization. Drury needs to either fix the development of our young forwards and the Kakko-Gallant relationship or decide to move Kakko in a deal. The Rangers are bad at developing forwards. They need to improve on that.
 
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Bullshit. That's just bailing the organization out of their incompetent stupidity. Their development of forwards is atrocious. That being said, if you aren't going to have both Lafreniere and Kakko on the first PP unit next season it's a problem. Lafreniere will be there. If there is no spot for Kakko and I'm sure he doesn't think there is, he's a big offer sheet candidate which I said over a month ago. Then it's wise to see what he can bring back in a deal.
 
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LAF yes, Kakko yes but he needs to be a lot better. He still has time and should go from 20 pts to 40 pts next year
 
For Kakko not to test the RFA waters and an offer sheet he'd probably need a commitment from the club that he will be getting appropriate minutes next season and beyond, which given his healthy scratch in Gm 7 they are not likely to make. Will be interesting to see how it plays out but it would be a failure by the organization if Kakko ends up traded only 3 years after being drafted as the #2 pick. Either they fucked up with the pick itself or his development, but either way they fucked up.
 
“It’s never fun when you’re not making the lineup,” Kakko said via SNY Rangers. “I wasn’t so happy about that.”

However, when specifically asked if that would impact his contract decision the response was quick.

“I don’t think so, I like to play here,” Kakko said. “I think [the scratch] gives me more motivation. I want to show I’m better than that. You should put me in the lineup because I’m a good player.”


Unlike some, Kakko sees it as a challenge and motivation to improve. That is the way he should see it, and he should embrace the challenge. Sounds like he wants to.
 
What else would you expect him to say? I think at this point he will either sign in the next 2 weeks or drury will trade him to a team that can’t be offersheeted so they don’t lose him for nothing.
 
The conspiracy theories are alive and well. Not the player, the coaches fault. If the player says something, what else would he say. When the coach says something, there must be a bigger reason.

For his sake I hope Kakko does see it as a challenge and motivation, whether he is a Ranger or not. That is the right approach and focus inward on getting better, and not blaming others.
 
I hope he likes playing here. If I was another team I would offer him 7 y, 49 million. He'll be 28 at the end of that contract. It's a no brainer. Give him close to 20 min of icetime and first PP time all the time, he's put up 60+ points next season. He's also outstanding on defense. He has selke qualities.
 
WOW - that is a reach. 7 mill per for a guy who has done almost nothing so far. I wish you were a GM in the same league I was in...LOL.

I'm not saying he won't be a very good player still, but that would be a WAY overpay for what you'd need to pay him now given his performance, and his RFA no arbitration rights status.

And if you feel that about Kakko, you must think Lafreniere is putting up 80 points next season, and winning awards also, because he is different level than Kakko so far.
 
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Dump, that’s an absurd amount of money for Kakko at this point and I like Kakko. I was pretty pissed seeing him getting scratched by Gallant. Give him a bridge deal to keep him motivated. You don’t hand out contracts like that to young guys hoping he will put up 60 points. It sounds like he had the right attitude unlike Kravtsov.
 
Not a reach at all. I told you. The Rangers are retards developing young forwads. They are the only team I've seen that drafts a guy in the top 2 that doesn't put him on the first PP unit with 18+ minutes of icetime. If Kakko goes to another team you will see him flourish. Look at what Kotkaniemi got and he is shit compared to what Kakko is. Only a retarded organization like the Rangers would take a guy with Kakko's offensive gifts and put him in a checking role. That is why this organization has one cup in 80+ years.
 
1. Doesn't seem to be hurting Lafreniere.
2. You are missing the point - you don't have to give him near that much to sign him long term whether you are the Rangers or some other team. You need to manage the cap, and giving a totally unproven player like Kakko $7M per, when you could get him for half that on a multi year deal, is terrible business, even if he turns out to be a star.
 
If another team is willing to extended him an offer sheet of $7m/yr for 7 years the Ranger better have Kakko's agent on speed dial letting him walk....
Can any sane person imagine another team, first off, willing to give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick for guy who has played and accomplished as little as Kakko AND THEN having to pay that guy $7,000,000 per year?!
For the Rangers sake, I hope that scenario does play out. I'd help pack his bags.
However, IF and that is a huge IF Kakko gets an offer sheet and it's under $4.2M AAV the Rangers should/will absolutely match it. If it's in that next range of $4.2 - $6.3m range they'll have to consider matching for anything under say $5m. $5M+ and its adios, give me the 1st and 3rd round picks. Would likely allow them to resign an extra one of the 4 UFAs.
 
No I’m not missing shit. When teams make offer sheets to restricted free agents they are always absurd money. The Rangers are one of the best teams in all of hockey developing young defenseman and goalies. They are easily one of the worst developing young forwards. Anybody who disputes that is a fucking moron. Messier who does not heap praise on many players heaped praise on Kakko saying he’s going to be a playoff beast. However the Rangers organization is fucking retarded and can’t seem to grasp it. That is the reason they have one cup in 80+ years. The reason Hank never won a cup and his career was because the dumb fucks couldn’t give him enough offense
 
You fucking imbeciles sucked off the veterans all year and didn’t grasp what we were telling you when we said the coach should be playing Kakko and Lafreniere a ton. You still don’t get it because when Panarin was useless we got butt fucked because the kids weren’t ready
 
31 I tried to tell you all year but you still were fucking stupid.
 
Says the guy who would throw $49m/7 yr contract to Kakko and give up a 1st, 2nd and 3rd to do it....
For the record, I agreed with you for the most part on the importance of developing Laf and Kakko. However, I looked at it more from a perspective of year(s) down the road when the high priced veterans skills begin to diminish, the young guy will need to be ready to step up when they are still affordable from a cap standpoint.
You have to admit, as a Rangers fan, if any other team throws a $49m/7yr offer sheet at Kakko the Rangers would be much better off letting him go.
 
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You fucking imbeciles sucked off the veterans all year and didn’t grasp what we were telling you when we said the coach should be playing Kakko and Lafreniere a ton. You still don’t get it because when Panarin was useless we got butt fucked because the kids weren’t ready
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The way Lafreniere was managed this postseason was frustrating. Coming out of Gm 1 with TB he was playing well with 4 assists in his most recent 3 games when he was playing about 12ish minutes a night. Instead of rewarding him, Gallant actually cut his ice time to less than 11 minutes in Gm 2 and did not have a point the rest of the series after Gm 1. To then play him over 17 minutes in Gm 6 it felt like a hail mary, desperate move expecting the kid that he's fucked over all season to suddenly be ready for a major role in an elimination game.
 
You are absolutely missing the point. You are making it about whether or not Kakko will be a good/great player. The point is that doesn't matter here. Paying Kakko $7M per season at this point when he has done nothing is a HUGE overpay, and kills your cap. You can sign him for 1/2 that amount and he'd jump. That is terrible cap management and unnecessary to get the player.

And 31 I agree with you on the usage of Lafreniere and Kakko in the playoffs. I didn't mind it in the regular season, because at times they both got top 6 time, and they were gaining experience and learning to play at both ends of the ice. In the playoffs though, especially as they went on, they both had gained a lot of experience, and quite frankly the kid line was their best line at times, and yet Gallant still didn't give them big minutes.

I really don't care about PP1 time, and think you guys are way overstating the importance of that - especially considering our PP was the only way we scored - but at even strength they were way underused in the playoffs, agree 100%. And I hated the scratch of Kakko in game 6.

And BTW - without scoring a point, Lafreniere played really well in game 6 and drew the game tying PP, which to me made Gallant look worse, and made me think he should have been playing more every game. It is also why I think Lafreniere is a top 6 big minute fixture next season.

With that said, Kakko has a lot to prove still, and needs to show he can stay healthy. Right now Lafreniere looks like a much better player, and I truly hope Kakko means his words, and he takes it as a challenge and motivation.
 
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I think Kakko will be fine next year. Gallant did they right thing by scratching him in game 6 because he was suckin horse dick after G2 and was good 5/20 games. He’s not the reason they lost. The team couldn’t score 5-5- and TB stepped up physically and dominated the forecheck
 
If Strome could have played, scratching Kakko is the coaches decision. I'm sure he had a good reason for it. Not playing Lafreniere and Kakko 18+ minutes a game and on the first PP unit all year is another story. It's moronic. The franchise finally gets some lottery luck and they develop those players like they were role players taken in the 4th round.
 
Yes, but Zegras' talent would shine through, just like Lafreniere's has. There is a big difference watching Lafreniere and Kakko, despite us lumping them together. That is what concerns me with Kakko. Maybe we can all agree they haven't been handled the best, but even still Lafreniere looks different level. That is why I think a good % is on Kakko as well, and he needs to look in the mirror to get better.

Respectfully, Lafreniere's growth loses some of the Kakko argument for you I think. Two kids handled the same way, one looks like a stud now/soon, the other looks lost (injuries play a role as well). While we agree they should have been given more time in the playoffs, I don't care about PP1 as I wrote, the fact remains Lafreniere looks much better. That cannot be overlooked, and why Kakko's issues are more than just how two coaches have handled him.
 
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