By 07, we'll have plenty of cap space from expiring contracts so your point is moot. I'd rather keep Kobe AND sign an Amare/Yao
All we need is somebody to score an extra 10 points a game and be an above average defender. If we had someone who scored and extra 10 points a game, we would be in a playoff position with a 0.600 ratio.
no we would not Unless we get a pg and a real pf we'll be no better than .500 It's all about this off-season
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bigdaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">no we would not Unless we get a pg and a real pf we'll be no better than .500 It's all about this off-season</div> Yes we would. Think about all those games that were close this season. Including the Christmas day game. If somebody on our team would have scored 10 extra points, we would have won the game. There have been so many games this season that we would have won if we had 10 extra points. We need a better centre and a point gaurd.
Laker fan you can say that for every team... if we could score 10 extra points we'd win. blah blah... you can't just say that alone, it makes no sense. You guys need alot more players to be contenders... and i mean alot. IMO ther'es only 3 good plauyers on the team, caron, kobe, odom. But Kobe can't make players aroudn him better, so it diminishes caron and odom's talent... y'all need a pg, pf, c.. that's alot if you ask me... I never seen a team fall this fast whoa... and it's not becuase they lost Rudy T and Kobe got injured... those are excuses.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If somebody on our team would have scored 10 extra points, we would have won the game.</div> that's a weak theory. Because if somebody else scored ten points he would have to take a number of shots (and obviously miss a few) meaning others will take less shot attempts. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But Kobe can't make players aroudn him better</div> that's not neccesarily true. Kobe doesn't make his team around him better the way Steve Nash or say Jason Kidd does, but look at guys like Lamar, Caron, Mihm, Atkins and Jones. They are all having great years (although Odom's PPG is down) <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and it's not becuase they lost Rudy T and Kobe got injured... those are excuses.</div> your right. It's because of the Lakers' piss poor defense. But in some ways, kobe's injuries and Rudy T's resignation have affected this team deeply.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Laker fan you can say that for every team... if we could score 10 extra points we'd win. blah blah... you can't just say that alone, it makes no sense. You guys need alot more players to be contenders... and i mean alot. IMO ther'es only 3 good plauyers on the team, caron, kobe, odom. But Kobe can't make players aroudn him better, so it diminishes caron and odom's talent... y'all need a pg, pf, c.. that's alot if you ask me... I never seen a team fall this fast whoa... and it's not becuase they lost Rudy T and Kobe got injured... those are excuses.</div> I have, the Chicago Bulls after Jordan, the Boston Celtics after Bird, and the TWolves this year. Those are not excuses, those are facts. With Rudy T the Lakers had to adjust to a new system, new players, and a new coach. They were slowly coming around and getting comfortable with Rudy T's system. Then when he left, the Lakers decided to go back to yet another system, the Triangle, and had to re-adjust again with about 30% of the season left. You don't think that has an effect on a team's performance? The Lakers then had to adjust with their superstar out for 15 games. A young team playing without your best player for that amount of games is hard, but when you don't have a strong bench it makes it even harder. You don't think that has an effect on a team's performance? Playing 'piss poor' defense is also a major factor why the Lakers have struggled. Getting Amare or Yao is not happening either. Why would either player leave their current situation to play for the Lakers?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers then had to adjust with their superstar out for 15 games. A young team playing without your best player for that amount of games is hard, but when you don't have a strong bench it makes it even harder. You don't think that has an effect on a team's performance?</div> Exactly. People don't realize how difficult it is to change an offensive system with half the year left, especially when only 3 of the Lakers' players know how to play it. The Lakers started to feel comfortable in Rudy T's system and then out of nowhere he resigns and they have to adjust to a totally new system when they were in a perfectly good position to make the playoffs.
hell, it really doesn't matter i guess. 1st round exit or a craptacular regular season. boy o boy, this team definitely needs a PG.
^ i'd rather get a good pf so that we can move odom down to sf. the lakers should concentrate more on their getting defensive minded players because we got all the offense we need from Kobe....... and sometimes Lamar and Caron
I think the Lakers need a dominant big man, like say Duncan or Amare, but Kobe would never let that happen cause he wants to be the man. You can rebuild around him however you like, but he'll still want to be the number one option, which really doesn't change anything or solve the problem.
We need height. Apart from Mihm and Lamar the players are quite small. The theory for scoring 10 points is not weak at all. The theory leads to me saying that we need a point scorer. Somebody who could get 20 points and 5 boards a night is somebody who we need.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yanix:</div><div class="quote_post">^ <font color="DarkRed">i'd rather get a good pf so that we can move odom down to sf. </font> the lakers should concentrate more on their getting defensive minded players because we got all the offense we need from Kobe....... and sometimes Lamar and Caron</div> i don't understand why you guys just don't move grant to the starting lineup to play power forward so you can move odom to small forward. then you guys can get some bench scoring from caron butler. in my opion, grant isn't a horrible player, nor is he great, but he can still play. he's great at those mid range shots. i think that this lineup would help, and i think that you guys could give it a try. now since i don't follow the lakers a lot, i don't know if you guys have already tried this or not, but if you didn't, again, like i said, it wouldn't hurt to give it a try.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes we would. Think about all those games that were close this season. Including the Christmas day game. If somebody on our team would have scored 10 extra points, we would have won the game. There have been so many games this season that we would have won if we had 10 extra points. We need a better centre and a point gaurd.</div> That's the worst rationalizing I've ever heard of. If the Bobcat had those extra 10 points in every game, they would have a great record too wouldn't they?
At this point in the season I like the idea of trying this lineup. If Odom is healthy enough to play, it would give him a chance to show he is better in his natural position. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i don't understand why you guys just don't move grant to the starting lineup to play power forward so you can move odom to small forward. then you guys can get some bench scoring from caron butler. in my opion, grant isn't a horrible player, nor is he great, but he can still play. he's great at those mid range shots. i think that this lineup would help, and i think that you guys could give it a try. now since i don't follow the lakers a lot, i don't know if you guys have already tried this or not, but if you didn't, again, like i said, it wouldn't hurt to give it a try.</div>
a team fast headed for nowhere rebuilding a team requires a complete program. the lakers have either had no plan or just a horrible one. their trades have been simply brain-dead moves and the results substantiate that. a rebuild should have been years in the making with a plan in hand. had they have a plan they would have been working on trading shaq right after the season instead of insulting him and forcing him to ask for a trade and then hastily walking into the worst, repeat, THE WORST, trade in NBA history. a good trade benefits both teams. a bad trade takes you from being an NBA finalist to a lot. pick. this rebuilding has all the signs of a chaotic front office who has no idea how to do one. its roster of super-stars quickly depleted through retirements, free-agency, a bad trade (Shaq), a mediocre trade (GP). by contrast, during the glory years of the 80s the team was constanly improving the team through draft picks (James Worthy, AC Green, etc), good trades (Scott), and free agency (Sam Perkins). this team has no direction. they didn't stock up with good draft choices. they stopped negotiating with jackson without having a replacement in mind. they stopped negotiating with shaq without having a blockbuster deal in the making. they tricked GP into signing for his option year and then traded him for little, pissing off a fine star who then pissed on the deal by not reporting and allowing boston to take back the only worthwhile part of the trade. they took too many players in positions they don't need while leaving other ones lacking. they stopped negotiating with jackson, threw away a whole season and now are asking him to come back. gee, you guys really know what you want, don't you. they are not going to improve. things are going to get worse before buss gets insulted into making some basic moves and replacing mitch with a real gm. a worst case scenario would be that before that happens they continue on their self-destructive path until everyone is fed up and get rid kobe in another bad move and trade him when he's past his prime a couple of years from now and get little for him as well. until then, kobe is going to just get physically abused by the opposition since he's the only one other teams feel like double-teaming. i have no doubt kobe realizes how much shaq protected him by simply being on the floor and funneling traffic away from kobe, opening it up for him. there was a time that i thought shaq and his big mouth were the real poison among the lakers. boy, have they made him look good in the process of their idiotic moves.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bigdaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe can play Jordan Lamar can play Pippen Mihm can be weddington Trade/Sign or do anything possible to get Kurt Thomas (pretty sure he'd get traded) or Melvin Ely So Ely or Thomas could be Rodman And Salim Staudemire or Raymand Felton could be Harper Cook is Kukoc If it worked before it'll work again Dammit</div> Kurt Thomas would be a great addition.
Lmao!! <div class="quote_poster">Quoting bigdaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe can play Jordan Lamar can play Pippen Mihm can be weddington Trade/Sign or do anything possible to get Kurt Thomas (pretty sure he'd get traded) or Melvin Ely So Ely or Thomas could be Rodman And Salim Staudemire or Raymand Felton could be Harper Cook is Kukoc If it worked before it'll work again Dammit</div> This is Hilarious!! Kobe will never be as good as Jordan because he cant make the players around him as much better, Lamar is no where near the level of Pippen and the best part of pippen was that he deffered to Jordan and played a role position. Lamar always needs the ball but so does Kobe so they clash. Mihm is just s stiff. Ely and Thomas are both no where near Rodaman who was one of the best rebounders ever. This would be like building a car in the same model as a jaguar but with worsened, watered down, parts.
^calm down. He wasn't saying they were as good as the Bulls, he was just trying to point out the needed parts for the team and Kobe is obviously the closest comparision to Kobe.
