Expect to see a new favorite team next to my name. I think a package of Gordon, Nocioni, this year's pick, next year's pick, and a pj brown should get it done. I do agree, I think a starting lineup of Hinrich, Kobe, Deng, Thomas, and Wallace with sufficient bench players and good health could easily run off 3 championship in 5 years, if not more.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Expect to see a new favorite team next to my name. I think a package of Gordon, Nocioni, this year's pick, next year's pick, and a pj brown should get it done. I do agree, I think a starting lineup of Hinrich, Kobe, Deng, Thomas, and Wallace with sufficient bench players and good health could easily run off 3 championship in 5 years, if not more.</div> The Con Artists and Liars aren't good enough for you? Come on dude, support your team, don't give up when your team goes on bad times. If you do switch to the Bulls, once the Lakers start winning again(it's inevitable) you better not jump right back over and pretend you have always been a true fan. You guys have one of the best histories in all of basketball and have been probably the most consistent team throughout the generations. Teams go through bad stretches and how many teams are there without a single championship? The fans that stay for the hard times are the true fans.(sorry for singling you out Mamba, when I say you I mean Laker fans in general. I hate to sound mean or anything, but I just really hate bandwagonners-not saying that you are) Honestly if I was a Laker fan, I would be absolutely furious at Kobe Bryant right now and would hope that they would deal him for top value. Basically a larger extent then I did with Tmac, because Tmac didn't make it public and a giant drama like this.
You misunderstood, I'd move the Bulls right behind the Con artists and the liars (Buss and co). I'd still love and support the Lakers till death. I just hate how they've lied to Odom, Kobe, and Jackson. I want us to trade Kobe because it's obvious we're in rebuild mode. Right now is the perfect chance to get solid role players and cap space to improve our team in the future. Not ditching the Lakers , just adding a new favorite team.
just watched the new video: Demoralizing by LD2k, oh men you just cannot trade Kobe that is incredible, there is no equal value for him!!! If that happens it will be really bad for lakers franchise!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Because Jamal Crawford, David Lee, and freakin' Channing Frye are all nearly as talented as Ben Gordon or Andres Nocioni and the 9th pick. I'll take that package over NY's terrible offer any day. Combo guards like Jamal don't work too well out west, that's an eastern conference thing. Ben Gordon > Jamal Crawford Andres Nocioni > Channing Frye the 9th pick, a talent > David Lee. Yeah, I'm sure I'll take Chicago's deal over NY's.</div> How is that a terrible offer? I don’t understand how you can be salivating over the Bulls’ deal when there are so many better offers. The Bulls can make a much better package than that, but they’re just starting off low. I don’t think Crawford will be packaged unless the Lakers specifically request him, which I doubt they do. Steve Francis is more likely since the Knicks are trying to unload him and he also expires in 2 years, which is good for the Lakers since they can be under the cap at that time and re-sign key players like Bynum. How can you say Crawford won’t work out West because he’s a combo guard then be hasty to take back Ben Gordon who is a combo guard himself? And while Ben Gordon can put points on the board, he can’t do much else. He doesn’t play defense and turns the ball over at a high rate. Hell, David Lee himself is more efficient than Ben Gordon. Once he develops a jumper (he’s been taking 1,000 shots daily) it won’t be hard to imagine him averaging at least 15/10 next season. I like Ben Gordon, but he isn’t exactly a “rare” talent by any means. One-dimensional, undersized scoring guards like him are a dime a dozen. Talent? Andres Nocioni is 28-years-old! If the Lakers are looking to rebuild, I can’t see how a 28-year-old will be a major part of their future plans. I like Chris Duhon, but he’s not even a starting-caliber point guard. He’s a solid back up. Channing Frye struggled this season but he’s a hardworking big man with a jumper, which should be a perfect compliment to a developing low-post presence in Andrew Bynum. And you don’t know who you will get with the 9th pick. This draft is strong because of the cream of the crop prospects—Oden, Durant, Wright, Horford. The 9th pick, while valuable, isn’t necessarily going to get a surefire “talent” like you suggest. David Lee in only his second year averaged a double-double. Lee is a sure thing, the ninth pick isn’t. You have no idea what the ninth pick will do. In fact, at 19, the value of the prospects don’t dip down too much either. So in essence you can see someone at #9 who is slightly more talented than someone at #19. And with Kobe on the Bulls, the 2008 first round pick will be between 25-30.
I still thing we should go for Deng.No player is untouchable Deng is better than Gordon.I will take the Bulls offer over the Knicks anytime that Knicks offer totally sucks..
<div class="quote_poster">lakersfan171 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I still thing we should go for Deng.No player is untouchable Deng is better than Gordon.I will take the Bulls offer over the Knicks anytime that Knicks offer totally sucks..</div> Please explain why. A Knicks offer of Francis/Frye/Lee/Robinson (probably a pick or two) for Kobe/Radmanovic is not any worse than the Duhon/Gordon/Nocioni/9th pick.
Nothing special, it is just a smart business deal. They proposing a low deal, we demanding something high, and at end of the day, both sides agree on the medium.
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Please explain why. A Knicks offer of Francis/Frye/Lee/Robinson (probably a pick or two) for Kobe/Radmanovic is not any worse than the Duhon/Gordon/Nocioni/9th pick.</div> Neither offer should be excepted by the Lakers. If the Lakers ended up dealing Kobe, they need to make sure they have cap room for next summer's free agent class. Steve Francis ties us down until 2009. The Lakers would then have a mess on their hands in 2009 with which players to keep. Their five front court players would all become free agents at the same time, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Ronny Turiaf, David Lee, and Channing Frye. The Chicago deal has similar problems, but I think this first offer coming from the Bulls is their worst offer. They will try to lowball the Lakers, just like any other team would, but I think they sweeten the deal once negotiations continue.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Neither offer should be excepted by the Lakers. If the Lakers ended up dealing Kobe, they need to make sure they have cap room for next summer's free agent class. Steve Francis ties us down until 2009. The Lakers would then have a mess on their hands in 2009 with which players to keep. Their five front court players would all become free agents at the same time, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Ronny Turiaf, David Lee, and Channing Frye. The Chicago deal has similar problems, but I think this first offer coming from the Bulls is their worst offer. They will try to lowball the Lakers, just like any other team would, but I think they sweeten the deal once negotiations continue.</div> Why do the Lakers need to make sure they have cap room for next summer? I thought the plan was to completely rebuild. If so, they shouldn't be in any hurry. Lamar Odom's $14.6 million deal would expire and Francis' $17 million deal would as well. The Lakers would have more than enough cap space to re-sign everyone. But like I said, the Bulls have can offer a better trade, but this current one that was "offered" isn't any better than the Knicks.
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why do the Lakers need to make sure they have cap room for next summer? I thought the plan was to completely rebuild. If so, they shouldn't be in any hurry. Lamar Odom's $14.6 million deal would expire and Francis' $17 million deal would as well. The Lakers would have more than enough cap space to re-sign everyone. But like I said, the Bulls have can offer a better trade, but this current one that was "offered" isn't any better than the Knicks.</div> Next summer's free agent class is loaded. Regardless if they are rebuilding, they still need to land another superstar in the backcourt. Gilbert Arenas would be the primary target, he's still young enough to develop with Bynum.
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Next summer's free agent class is loaded. Regardless if they are rebuilding, they still need to land another superstar in the backcourt. Gilbert Arenas would be the primary target, he's still young enough to develop with Bynum.</div> Well I just read an Article in NYPOST that Lewis LOVES NY .... if we some how get him ...will Kobe want to follow him?
<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well I just read an Article in NYPOST that Lewis LOVES NY .... if we some how get him ...will Kobe want to follow him?</div> Nothing more than a catchy headline. Lewis hasn't even visited with the Knicks yet. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up there, but that headline is really misleading.
<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Substitute Deng for Nocioni and Id do that deal.</div> Don't hold your breath, Paxson would not deal Gordon and Deng in the same package. I find it hard to believe that he will deal Deng at all, at this point.
Its almost like the LA Lakers are the welfare system of the NBA. They keep dealing their superstars to the East and help close the gap between the two conferences.
