Bulls Summer League team dominating, #1 seed in elimination round

Discussion in 'Chicago Bulls' started by Bullsville, Jul 16, 2014.

Moderators: 5

Moderators

  1. bullsger
  2. kukoc4ever
  3. such sweet thunder
  4. transplant
  5. _GB
Page 2 of 3
  1. transplant

    transplant Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    4,111
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    63
    No McDermott tonight...shit.
     
    transplant, Jul 19, 2014
    #21
  2. Bullsville

    Bullsville Intelligent Bulls Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Occupation:
    Sportswriter
    Location:
    Grand Rivers, KY
    That's a good thing, I think they want to get a look at Kendall Williams.

    Plus, they've been too dominant, they need to give the other teams a chance...
     
    Bullsville, Jul 19, 2014
    #22
  3. transplant

    transplant Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2011
    Messages:
    4,111
    Likes Received:
    210
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Bulls down 13. Looks like the only team they'll be giving a chance is Sacto.
     
    transplant, Jul 19, 2014
    #23
  4. Bullsville

    Bullsville Intelligent Bulls Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Occupation:
    Sportswriter
    Location:
    Grand Rivers, KY
    LOL, no kidding.

    They came into this game shooting 45.6% on 3's in the first four games, there's no way in hell to keep that up.

    As they are proving in this one...
     
    Bullsville, Jul 19, 2014
    #24
  5. such sweet thunder

    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    3,509
    Likes Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Feels kind of like the regular season, doesn't it?
     
    such sweet thunder, Jul 19, 2014
    #25
  6. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,959
    Likes Received:
    10,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Score is about right :)
     
    Denny Crane, Jul 19, 2014
    #26
  7. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,959
    Likes Received:
    10,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Exhibition game. No reason to really care about winning.
     
    Denny Crane, Jul 19, 2014
    #27
  8. such sweet thunder

    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    3,509
    Likes Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Yeah, looks like the Bulls were pretty happy to lose . . . Tony Snell on the bench for long stints down the stretch . . . McDermott out with a nagging injury. A selfish part of me wanted a game but all this matters less than nothing.

    I think I'm officially off the Cameron Baristow bandwagon. I've liked him less and less each time I see him. Have you guys focused on him in transition? He moves like George Muresean. Or like he's injured, but I don't think he's injured. It's funny because he seems to have reasonably good quickness once he gets in to half court situations. The problem being, Baristow is getting beat semi-regularly by big men who are establish solid position because they beat him in transition.

    I like Wear better now. It'd be nice if Wear could guard both frontcourt positions, but I'll take one -- I think there's a relatively decent chance that that's going to be better than Baristow is able to claim.
     
    such sweet thunder, Jul 19, 2014
    #28
  9. Bullsville

    Bullsville Intelligent Bulls Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Occupation:
    Sportswriter
    Location:
    Grand Rivers, KY
    Forget who fits better this year, they might as well keep the one who has the better long-term future.

    With Noah, Gasol, Gibson and Mirotic, the 5th big isn't going to play this season unless two guys are injured at the same time. And technically the 5th big will probably be Nazr or some other veteran.

    I like the way Wear shoots the ball from 3-point range, but outside of that I haven't really seen much out of him. Bairstow has a decent shooting touch, plus real center size. Maybe not height, but bulk anyway.

    I'm not sure I have an opinion which one to keep, but the FO certainly seems to prefer Bairstow.
     
    Bullsville, Jul 19, 2014
    #29
  10. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,959
    Likes Received:
    10,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    If Noah gets hurt, the team would rely on Gasol for big minutes and to be able to play every game. When Gasol sits to rest, who plays C? Small ball every game?
     
    Denny Crane, Jul 19, 2014
    #30
  11. Bullsville

    Bullsville Intelligent Bulls Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Occupation:
    Sportswriter
    Location:
    Grand Rivers, KY
    I'm assuming it would be Gibson or Mirotic, based on the current roster.

    But like I said, IMHO the 5th big is going to be a veteran minimum signing, and whoever that is will probably get the minutes ahead of Bairstow.

    But when Gasol sits, it will probably be Noah and Gibson getting 36 minutes each, with Mirotic getting 30 minutes. Whenever Noah misses a game, I don't think Thibs would play Gasol 36 minutes so it would probably be more like Gibson 36 minutes, Gasol and Mirotic 30 minutes, and the veteran minimum big man (Nazr replacement) 6 minutes.

    Whether it's Bairstow (who I think the organization is really high on) or Wear, neither of them will get any minutes unless both Noah and Gasol miss a game. In that case, it would probably be something like Gibson and Mirotic 36 minutes, veteran minimum guy 20 minutes, and Bairstow 4 minutes.

    Thibs has a well-deserved rep for not playing rookies many minutes, but he did give Asik 12 minutes a night, and Omer was no Mirotic.
     
    Bullsville, Jul 19, 2014
    #31
  12. such sweet thunder

    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    3,509
    Likes Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I can't help but feel that the question over who is the fifth and sixth big is a "white person problem." Somewhere up there with, how do I reduce the drag on my sailboat, and should I go to Harvard or Yale.

    It's your fifth big. Who cares?

    I think it starts to matter if the Bulls trade Taj and Dunleavy for a better wing--which the Bulls probably should do.
     
    such sweet thunder, Jul 20, 2014
    #32
  13. Bullsville

    Bullsville Intelligent Bulls Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Occupation:
    Sportswriter
    Location:
    Grand Rivers, KY
    If Bairstow is the 5th big, it costs Reinsdorf $507,336.

    If a veteran with 2 or more years in the league is the 5th big, it costs Reinsdorf $915,243.

    Bairstow is a lock for the job...

    And yeah, Taj and MDJ for the right wing would be fine with me...
     
    Bullsville, Jul 20, 2014
    #33
  14. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,959
    Likes Received:
    10,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I don't see it as a 5th big issue. More like a 2nd C one.

    Gasol has missed a lot of games the past two seasons. Is Mirotic or Bairstow capable if meaningful minutes at C for a stretch of games?
     
    Denny Crane, Jul 20, 2014
    #34
  15. such sweet thunder

    such sweet thunder Member Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2007
    Messages:
    3,509
    Likes Received:
    78
    Trophy Points:
    48
    I still don't think I see it. I think all of the Bulls' four currently-signed bigs can play extended minutes at center. The NBA has changed where you don't really see those physically imposing, wide, slow centers anymore. Especially in the East. Valanciunas is as close to a manhandling center you're going to get in the Conference.

    For my money, the current state of the Bulls' wings remains the biggest fear. I'm not convinced Butler or Dunleavy is a starting caliber player. I'd probably try to move one of the Bull's bigs for a starting 2/3.
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2014
    such sweet thunder, Jul 20, 2014
    #35
  16. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,959
    Likes Received:
    10,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    I look at the height and weight. How tall and heavy is Hibbert? Chandler ? Either Lopez? I'm just sorta running through the teams in the east..,
     
    Denny Crane, Jul 20, 2014
    #36
  17. Bullsville

    Bullsville Intelligent Bulls Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Occupation:
    Sportswriter
    Location:
    Grand Rivers, KY
    Chandler and Robin Lopez play in the West.

    And I think Hibbert stopped being a point of conversation when he had that 0/0 game in the playoffs. And that 0 points and 5 rebound in 22 minutes in the ECF against a guy he had 4 inches and 50 pounds on.

    Anyway, unless both Gasol AND Noah get hurt at the same time, we'll be fine.
     
    Bullsville, Jul 20, 2014
    #37
  18. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

    Joined:
    May 24, 2007
    Messages:
    72,959
    Likes Received:
    10,633
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Occupation:
    Never lost a case
    Location:
    Boston Legal
    Chandler was on the Knicks last season. We do play teams in the west.

    Marcin Gortat and Nene gave us fits in the playoffs.
     
    Denny Crane, Jul 20, 2014
    #38
  19. Bullsville

    Bullsville Intelligent Bulls Fan

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2014
    Messages:
    569
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    28
    Occupation:
    Sportswriter
    Location:
    Grand Rivers, KY
    Yes, Chandler was on the Knicks last season. When you said
    I just assumed you were talking about this season, not last season. My bad.

    Yes, I'm aware we play 30 games against the West each season. You're the one who said
    I was just pointing out that Chandler and one of the Lopez brothers don't play in the East. That is all.

    Career games missed:

    Gasol 146 games in 14 seasons (56 games in last 3 seasons)
    Noah 82 games in 7 seasons (20 in last 3 seasons)
    Lopez 134 games in 6 seasons (134 games in last 3 seasons)

    Yes. Yes they did. Great point.
     
    Bullsville, Jul 20, 2014
    #39
  20. rosenthall

    rosenthall Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,581
    Likes Received:
    93
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Gasol and Noah can both play C on a regular basis. Taj can play backup C on most nights coming off the bench. Both Gasol and Noah would have to be simultaneously injured for a long stretch for our depth at C to be an issue. That's possible, but ultimately low on the totem pole of concerns for this season IMO.

    It looks like the Org is high on Bairstow and think he'd be good enough as a warm body and cheap roster slot to throw bodies around for 5-10 minutes a night.

    In any event the 5th big historically has not been the tipping point between good and bad, contender non-contender, etc.

    This year we have the benefit of being 4 deep up front, which means we'll have the benefit of curbing minutes and opportunistically sitting players should the need arise. I think we'll probably be okay.

    Like others have mentioned, it's our lack of shot creation on the wings which is the real problem with this team.
     
    rosenthall, Jul 20, 2014
    #40
Page 2 of 3

Share This Page