I hope Chicago enjoys paying a backup PG in this economy $9.5MM. And our fan base thinks WE overvalue our players? This is the same kind of thinking that led Chicago to pass on Gasol, O'Neal, etc. because they had to give up Deng. Fuck them and their trades built by the Swerski Brothers.
I don't see much that Chicago has that they might part with that we want. Deng is a big question mark. Hinrich is good - for cap space, or even Outlaw or Blake. But no more. I am not a Bayless fan, but if we trade him, it would have to get something better. I'd be down for a Bayless+ for Sessions in a heartbeat. I want a *real* PG. Hinrich last year wasn't a top-20 PG. I really, really hope KP has some way to close a deal for substantial SF or PG talent. Failing that, getting Millsap and then trading Joel for a Battier or good PG would be OK, too. Obviously Portland has got Utah to agree to explore three-way deals, which is why the offer has not been made to Millsap. We just need a team that wants Boozer... the list is not too long. iWatas
Those are good deals, I agree. Of course, while I don't think Lee is the caliber of prospect as Batum, if New Jersey valued him that highly then Portland couldn't have acquired Carter without giving up Batum. I wouldn't have been in favour of that. Had they accepted Outlaw in place of Lee, then I'd have liked that deal. Unenthused. He's terribly mediocre and paid enormous money. And, unlike Hinrich or Turkoglu, doesn't even address any particular need. He's simply mediocre at everything with no stand-out skill except taking shots (his scoring efficiency is mediocre). At worst, Batum will be mediocre at everything production-related (like he was last season) but be a very good defender.
Look, we're losing our cap space, Bayless, and likely another player (Blake, Outlaw, or Webster) in this scenario. We need to receive back Kirk Hinrich and one of the following .... - Deng - Salmons - Noah
And again, even if Tim Thomas is sent to Utah instead, I'm pretty angry at the thought of moving Steve Blake and our cap space for Kirk Hinrich. You're essentially moving Boozer and Blake for Hinrich. Are you fucking kidding me?
Absolutely not, and I am a fan a=of addig Hinrich and Deng. For me, our untouchables in order are Aldridge Roy Oden Batum Bayless Nobody else matters.
YOu guys aren't gonna play bayless anyway. You can't always have your cake and eat it too if you wanna win with hinrich, i say suck it up and do the deal. It really isn't that unfair. The bulls could just leave the blazers out of this and get boozer by themselves more than likley.
This is bullshit just like the other Chicago rumor was bullshit. I read that several reporters think Portland is just bombarding the rumor mill in order to get the attention off of the failure to bring in talent. Keep on believing if you want, but I am not going to waste my time on any of these. Nothing was going to happen. Nothing is going to happen. We are going into the season with what we got, you might as well get used to it.
Er...what do you think the Jazz want more, whoever they get back in a trade for Boozer or our cap space which lowers their luxury tax payment?
Why wouldn't Utah just match our offer and then wait for Boozers contract to expire in a year, and only eat the cap issues for one year? That's what I would do. Its basically the same situation they wanted now, just one year later.
I"m sure they could get it done. Tyrus for boozer is a pretty good deal for both parties, and I'm just saying, you guys keeping loading up on these young guys and don't play em so pretty soon they'll be off their rookie contracts and want to actually play somewhere. If you don't plan on playing bayless then why is it such a big deal to put him in this trade? You get your guy for a bench player??
Deng, perhaps. Salmons and Noah, no. Salmons had a career year but is generally a mediocrity. Noah is a decent, hustle big man...but not anywhere near worth Bayless, to me. Even Deng...I was willing to have Portland take on that risk as a salary dump. If Portland also has to wager their only high-upside player at point guard, I think Deng stops being interesting to me.
We plan on playing Bayless. We traded our backup PG. If we acquire Hinrich, we're trading Blake. And the NBA allows us to pay our own players the most, so they can play for less after their rookie contracts are up. It's not our job to make other teams better just because we have a deep team.
Okay. You're the Miller family, and your main source of revenue is the car business, which is going swimmingly. Furthermore, you're now paying death taxes in the eight or nine figures. The Jazz management come to you and ask you to pay another $16-$20MM (including the luxury tax) for a backup PF when you know this team isn't competing for a championship. Good luck with that.
Your "deep" team is full of unproven young guys. And i'm not trying to get you blazer fans riled up, i'm just saying that the trade involving bayless doesn't seem unfair to me at all. Everyone gets what they want. You can't just sit your young guys on the bench and expect everything to think they are great?? They gotta prove something first, and so far bayless hasn't proved much.
Neither had Rose last off-season. Were you in favour of trading him for a decent 28 year old? If you're not a fan of Bayless, great. I'm not trying to convince you that he's "great" (which he isn't yet, in the NBA, of course). Most of us are just not in favour of trading a pretty high-upside prospect in addition to a lot of cap space for an okay guard.
