Hinrich can't guard Brooks. When you factor in Hinrich is a slightly better version of Blake at twice the price, the Bulls asking for Bayless is an insult.
Explain to me why Bayless is a great prospect or has great value to the Blazers. For that matter, I don't see how he has much value to the Bulls. I guess I wouldn't turn him down simply based on the fact that he's a "young prospect" at a relatively cheap price, but I really don't see him as a good fit for the Bulls. I don't see him as that good of a fit for the Blazers either. By any objective measure, yes he was generally awful as a rookie. He had like an 8 PER. He shot the ball at Duhonesque levels and turned it over and fouled at a high rate. It’s one thing to say he’s got potential. He certainly does. But his performance as a rookie was poor and makes me doubt how he'll get it done. Saying he didn’t get any minutes is a bit of a cop out too. He’s not a high schooler. He played at freaking Arizona. And didn’t light the world on fire there either, by the way. There are plenty of guys who have come into the league and hit the ground running at similar or younger ages. Nor do I really see him as an ideal Gordon replacement. Just because he looks physically similar to Gordon (with much shorter wingspan) doesn’t mean he plays much at all like him. I think the Monta Ellis comparison is a lot more valid, but Ellis put up better numbers in similarly limited minutes almost across the board. Another guy who seems similar in terms of style of play would be Earl Boykins, who’s probably a guy who started off really crummy looking and got a lot better. But at the end of the day, is that really the sort of guy we need to add? He looks largely like a playground player to me. He’s got a lot of skills, but I don’t know that they wonderfully translate to the NBA in general or playing with Derrick Rose in particular. Specifically (and this is from watching him) 1. He’s not a good defender and he’s got little T-Rex arms. His defensive potential is largely against ones, not twos. 2. He’s not a good straight up shooter who will space the floor, which is something we will absolutely need from our two guard playing next to Derrick. 3. He’s pretty out of control looking. I realize Portland likes to walk it up, but how does running two 6’1" guys who can’t shoot work for us in Chicago?
He's 6'2" w/o shoes 6'3" with, btw. Why we want to keep him? The same reason why Chicago wants him - He's only 20, He has a lot of talent and elite athletic ability with a knack for scoring. We didn't get to see his skill set this season because McMillan and the staff plan to bring him along slowly. And why is Kirk worth this much? His value went up because Chicago lost Ben so the Blazers must pay? The guy averaged 10/3 in the regular season and 12/2 in the playoffs. No thanks. We'll keep the guy who's 8 years younger with a lot more room to grow. Meh, move along.
Oh, now you are asking for it. Game 1 against Houston: Brooks: 18 pts (2nd on team) Hinrich: 10 pts; 0/0 3pt Game 2 against Houston: Brooks: 8 pts Hinrich: 7 pts 1/3 3pt Hard to tell if Hinrich really did that much. 3 pt shooting wasn't great. Defense (if he guarded Brooks) was soft in one game, decent in the other. Let's remember though that Brooks and Houston are likely a non-factor, at least for next year.
You haven't watched Bayless much from your comments. When Bayless did get PT (Blake injured) he perform really well. He is a very good defender but you might be right that he can't guard a lot of 2's only 1's. Ok if your right why the hell do the Bulls want him? Outside of Rose I think he is the best PG prospect in last years draft. Bayless didn't shoot very well last year but in college was a great shooter. I watched almost all his college games and I think it is the Blazer staff trying to change his shot mechanic's and his confidence was shot with not getting enough PT. Bayless is going to be a star if he gets PT with the Blazers or another team. Plus your are really wrong with Roy having a lot of PG skills Bayless is the perfect fit next to him IMO. That is why KP wouldn't trade him unless we got something that blew him away.
I would love to have Hinrich on this roster. But, if Bayless is the price and we do not get Deng in the trade - I would not touch it.
First game, Hinrich was back for 2 weeks from a 30 game injury. Second game was 6 weeks after. Coincidentally or not, the Bulls went 24-20 after his return, and were 13-18 during the time he was injured.
I do agree that Hinrich's value is hard to quantify. Similar to how we value Batum. They do a lot of things that just don't show up in the numbers.
Who says they really do? This report could be complete BS. Alternatively, I don't credit the Bulls management with lots of smarts these days. Maybe they look at him as a cheap prospect with upside, so they're willing to try it out even if he's not likely to fit and not likely to work out. Or maybe they just want to say "he, we got a lottery pick back". But most likely, I think the report is BS and it's the Blazers Jazz and Bulls fans that want to get a deal done. I think the Bulls would rather pay their 6th man $9M and screw their 2010 chances than get a 3 time all-star with a conveniently expiring contract. If he's that great of a fit, why is he trying to trade for Hinrich?
Does this whole trade stand any chance of happening now the Blazers have signed Millsap to that offer sheet that's designed to screw the Jazz?
Here's why Portland does it. Utah will match Milsap, leaving Portland with cap space that will disappear with the extensions of LMA and Roy. If Utah matches, they have $12.5M expiring in Boozer's deal and probably are keeping the guy they want long term, at basically the cost of Boozer's contract. Utah would like Tyrus Thomas as a backup for a year, option to re-sign him if they like him, or $6.5M in cap relief if they renounce him. The Bulls would like that same option, to see him play and then the choice to re-sign or renounce. To give that up, they want a player in return who fits their cap situation. If Portland refuses, it's up to Utah to take Tim Thomas instead, walk away from Milsap, or walk away from this deal. If Utah resigns Milsap, Portland ends up watching all the good FAs end up elsewhere with $8M that can't shoot or defend anyone. From what I've read, the Tim Thomas switcheroo and Rudy instead of Bayless would be acceptable. But then again, the Bulls claim no deal has been discussed at all.
The offer sheet can still be rescinded if the Jazz/Blazers/Millsap agree... this might just be the Blazers saying, "Take it or leave it, Jazz." Which they might have had to do. Portland doesn't want to sit on its hands all summer waiting for teams to make up their minds. Ed O.
Depends on if the Jazz can find a taker for Boozer in the next 7 days. If they move him then Portland loses any and all leverage because they'll just match Millsap's offer and wave goodbye to Boozer who they want to get rid of anyway. If by next Friday night nothing's been done and Portland feels like they have this in the bag Utah might end up letting us in on a three way deal -- provided the third trading partner wants to give up what we're after.
The motive behind this "rumor" was for the Jazz to move Boozer so they can keep Millsap. The other assumption of this "rumor" was the Blazers forcing Utah's hand. We signed him to an offer sheet, this should put this "rumor" to rest.
Because we have a coach that doesn't like to play rookies and never gave Bayless a real shot. On almost any other team he would have gotten a better shot to earn PT. I'm not a huge Nate fan. So, I'm not going say anymore about Bayless's situation last year. There were also quite a few teams rumored at the trade deadline that also wanted Bayless and Batum. KP wouldn't trade either one unless we got something better then Hinrich.
Look: asking for Bayless (if indeed the Bulls did) is essentially their way of saying "we're not really interested." They've just signed a very similar player in Pargo, and they know the Blazers won't give up Bayless.
Not trying to be snarky, but didn't Nate start Batum (who's 3 months younger than Bayless) 76 times last year?
