Bust a Scoot?

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    We don't need to see it over and over. You're the guy standing outside our house playing annoying music that nobody wants to hear. We get it. You and a large portion of America thinks he's a bust. I don't care anymore. It's tired.
     
  2. Phatguysrule

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    I never bought that 2 Player BS
     
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    I’d bet my paycheck Scoot will be no less than borderline all star in his career
     
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    The unfortunate truth is even if he became an all star, fans will shit on him because they'll always compare him.to Dame. It is sad.
     
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    If Scoot can do that, and guard a chair. It will all be worth it.
     
  7. Phatguysrule

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    He'll have help if we don't go stupid and pin all our hopes on the guys we have now. We probably need to get 2 or 3 more top 5 draft picks to make tanking at all worth it.
     
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    Or trade for that talent.
     
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    IDK? Totally different players? I love Dame and what he brought here but I don't really see a way to compare them at this point?
     
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    Yeah maybe we can trade our draft picks for an all star... Then we'd have 1 All Star. It'll be perfect!
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    I have seen nothing to persuade me that Scoot is a bust. I still see enormous potential in him and expect him to be an elite player.

    It's really difficult coming into a situation where he's so young and the other players are a bit older. He naturally will defer to his teammates. Plus he's playing against the best players on the planet (for the most part) for the first time.

    What I saw often was an already excellent defender. Against the Bulls he kept DeRozan from getting off shots when he was guarding him. And the recent 30 point game he had is what we'll be seeing from him on a more regular basis, as he matures. I don't think it's a one off kind of thing.

    When DRose was on the Bulls, he deferred to the older players, too. He wasn't as young as Scoot. Once he got his feet under him, the Bulls traded away Ben Gordon, who was stellar against the defending champion Celtics (their big 3 days) to give DRose room to dominate the ball. It's probably going to happen with Scoot at some point.

    I mention DRose because I see him as Scoot's ceiling.

    You can look at Coby White, who scored 42 points last night in a playin win over Atlanta. White was pick #7 in the first round, shot .394 from 2 and .354 from 3 as a rookie, averaging 13.2 and 2.7 assists. I think Scoot's stats are roughly equivalent, though Scoot had a higher scoring and assists average. Both were 19 year old rookies.

    White is in his 5th season and he's still only 23. Fans talked about him as a sort of bust, not living up to expectations, and suggested he would be good to trade. It took the Bulls superstar (max contract) Zach LaVine going out with injury to give White the dominant role on offense. He's also a good defender.

    At 23, Scoot is going to be better than White. Book it.

    So... let it bake.

    EDIT: I hate to say it, but you might want to listen to HCP. He's been around the players, and they are human beings not trading cards.

    Scoot, age 19, 62 games, 28.5 MPG, .385 FG%, .325 3PT%, 3.1 TRB, 5.4APG, 14.0 PPG
    (PER 36) 4TRB, 6.9APG, 1 STL, 17.7 PPG (Note DRose played 37 MPG as a rookie)

    White, age 19, 65 games, 26.8 MPG, .394 FG%, .354 3PT%, 3.1 TRB, 2.7 APG, 13.2 PPG (good for 5th in ROY voting)

    Rose, age 20, 81 games, 37 MPG, .475 FG%, .222 3PT%, 3.9 TRB, 6.3 APG, 16.8 PPG (ROY)

    Seems like Scoot needs to improve his shooting and then he might have a better season than Rose did at 20.
     
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  12. Rastapopoulos

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    Scoot certainly looked a lot better the last few games, enough to stop the panic that he'll be a bust. He won't be a bust... unless he's injury prone, which he hasn't exactly shown he isn't.
    BUT: his finishing at the rim is BAD. His handle is not great. His athleticism is not elite. His turnovers and fouls are OUT OF CONTROL. Does he have the skills to be the point guard of a successful team, when you get to the point that EVERY POSSESSION MATTERS? Can he help the team if you minimize his usage to deal with the turnovers? The best thing he has going for him right now is a great attitude. It seems very unlikely that he'll just tell himself he's great and that anyone telling him he needs to change is just a hater (which is the vibe that Ben Simmons always seemed to give off).
     
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    yep. Until shae pops. Then we will have two and maybe scoot gets there as well.
    Three young all stars by 25-26 would be a great turnaround. Especially with our future picks still in our pocket.
    If we could move Ant/Murray and our picks this year for a young star/potential all star, id be all for it.
    Ayton also has potential to make it to all star status in my opinion. So that could possibly be 4 all stars or a combo of stars/all stars within a couple years.
     
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    If Shae and Scoot pop, we could be looking at something like this in two years:
    Scoot(star/allstar)
    Shae( allstar)
    Grant(star)
    ??? (Star/allstar for ant/murray and picks)
    Ayton(star/allstar)

    with Brogdon/Camara/Walker coming off the bench, all but Brogdon & Grant being under 26-27 years old and end of decade picks in our pocket to upgrade where needed.

    That would be a solid rebuild in my opinion. Players have to pop though.

    If we could have that within five years of Dames departure, id be happy.

    I think that is a solid playoff team and we would still have assets to improve where needed to push us to contender status by 27-28.

    Edit: OKC might be our next GSW though…
     
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    I agree. Scoot may have even played BETTER than Dame would have at 19 years old. We will never know.

    But, that doesnt matter to some folks. Since Scoot was drafted and some folks think he would be partially to blame for Dame's departure, he will continue to be measured up with Dame for his career. Which is completely unfair.
     
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    Yes. In the very unlikely case that both those guys make All Star games and remain healthy, yes.
     
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    Thats your opinion that it is very unlikely. I see it more about 50/50, which i don't see any unknown draft picks having any better potential. I mean, in the very unlikely chance we luck into the number one lick next year, then yes, that may be more likely than these guys popping. Other than that, what is a more viable/likely scenario?
     
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    I don't know that's true. Maybe for the casual fans

    but for those that pay attention I just think their styles are so different, comparing them is pointless. About the only thing they have in common is position. Dame has always been like a Curry-lite without Curry's massive roster advantages, meaning a lot more iso; and better rim-attacking skills

    right now at least, Scoot is like a less athletic bull-in-a-China-shop version of Westbook...low-efficiency/high-turnovers. I'm hopeful he will evolve past that, but the trajectory is uncertain at this point

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    Well he’s only played like 60 games and just turned 20…. That’s not enough for me to even have a CLUE about his future. Surprised people are set either way with so little games played.
     
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