Bynum is better than Shaq

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  1. Mamba

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    Portland officials are estimating Oden's weight at about 290 right now. They say he's ballooned in weight since he had surgery. The article didn't say if he was lifting or if it was from not running, either way...that's too damn heavy for his knees to handle.
     
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    You guys are missing my point. I don't know what's so hard to understand.

    Two young centers, separated by 1 year of age. Both with tons of potential. One has more hype and is widely known, some call him the next great center even though he hasn't played a single game in the NBA. He is out for the entire season because of injury, while the other is playing and averaging a double double and two blocks. Which one would I choose? I'd rather choose the one who has actually played a game in the league, and has actually shown he can play in the next level.

    Once again, I believe Oden will be a great player in the league one day, just like I believe Bynum will be a great player in the league one day. I'd rather pick the safer option, and the safer option is Bynum since he has no previous history with injuries, and has been playing terrifically this season. On the other hand, nobody knows what Oden is capable of since he has never stepped foot on an NBA court. Sure he was great in high school, he was great in college, but that doesn't mean he's going to be great in the NBA

    And for the record, if Oden comes into next season, or the season after the next, and is heads on shoulders above Bynum, you can feel free to bump this back up and try to embarrass the hell out of me. I honestly don't care
     
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    I take Oden 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 26 2007, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys are missing my point. I don't know what's so hard to understand.

    Two young centers, separated by 1 year of age. Both with tons of potential.</div>

    The point many of us are making is that their potentials aren't comparable.

    Yes, Bynum has the potential to be better than he is right, but his potential doesn't equal, nor is it close to Oden's potential.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Dec 26 2007, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Portland officials are estimating Oden's weight at about 290 right now. They say he's ballooned in weight since he had surgery. The article didn't say if he was lifting or if it was from not running, either way...that's too damn heavy for his knees to handle.</div>

    http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/stor...792759804623200

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Remember Greg Oden? The guy’s not just sitting around during his redshirt season. More than three months out from his Sept. 13 microfracture knee surgery, the 7-foot center says his weight is up to 290 – about 40 pounds more than he carried when he arrived in Portland last summer. But don’t despair. It’s all good, says Bobby Medina, the Trail Blazers’ savvy strength and conditioning coach, who has overseen Oden’s rehabilitation work. Medina, in his 11th year in Portland after five years with Seattle, says Oden reminds him of a young Shawn Kemp or Jermaine O’Neal in terms of work ethic.

    “Greg’s a monster in the weight room,” Medina says. “I’m not at all worried about his (weight). Once he gets into his cardio, running up and down, he’ll be fine – he’s an active guy.

    “Right now is a tough time, because all he can do is ride a bike and do a little work in the water. But when he gets to the point where he can run, he’ll lose some weight and keep all the muscle and his tone.

    “We don’t want him to be a football player. We want him to keep his athleticism, but he needs to be strong at that position.”

    Oden gets that sheepish grin when asked how he’s doing.

    “Right now, I’m just enjoying being big,” he says. (Don’t you just love this guy?)

    “I’m the strongest I’ve ever been,” he adds. “I hope I can stay that way, but that I’ll be able to get my weight down after I’m able to start running again. Jay (Jensen, the Blazer trainer) says I can do that at four months, so I’m a few weeks away.”</div>
     
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    I think it will be good for him all the weight training, and I do agree he will loose it once he gets back up and running. I heard he was working hard on his shooting game which would be another plus.

    I cannot wait 2-3 years when both Bynum & Oden play against each other that is if they develop into the players everyone thinks.
     
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    I think the main thing everyone is forgetting, although stats are nice, the question here does Bynum help LAL get wins the answer is a simple yes.

    o.iatlhawksfan, that's some good points you made with the evidence to back it up but that's only a handfull of players I'm sure I could find plenty of players who have improved dramatically from there 20's to their best seasons.

    Bynum is better than Shaq now, but does anyone really see Bynum putting up similar numbers to what Shaq did in his best years and taking home 4 championships because that's one heck of an accomplishment.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bronbron23 @ Dec 26 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think the main thing everyone is forgetting, although stats are nice, the question here does Bynum help LAL get wins the answer is a simple yes.

    o.iatlhawksfan, that's some good points you made with the evidence to back it up but that's only a handfull of players I'm sure I could find plenty of players who have improved dramatically from there 20's to their best seasons.

    Bynum is better than Shaq now, but does anyone really see Bynum putting up similar numbers to what Shaq did in his best years and taking home 4 championships because that's one heck of an accomplishment.</div>

    probably not, but that was never my point. I was just pointing out that we are now better off without Shaq and with Bynum. If we kept Shaq, we would be in terrible shape. The fact that we got rid of him and rebuilt for a couple of years, we are in better shape.

    and i dont know what's with the Oden/Bynum comparison. For what it's worth, if i were the Blazers, i wouldn't trade Oden for Bynum because of Oden's higher upside (he's more explosive), but if I was the lakers, i probably wouldn't trade Bynum for Oden either because it'd be incredibly risky to trade someone is showing so much promise.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 26 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At least Bynum has already proven he can play at the next level, while Oden still has not.</div>

    Cute argument, but do you actually believe that? Do you actually believe that Oden will not be able to play at the next level? If you do then stop wasting your time by trying to present an argument thats out of context
     
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    Sorry Jigga, I have to disagree. It's pretty obvious Jacque Vaughn will always be better than OJ Mayo.
     
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    I don't think putting on muscle is good for Oden. He's got bad knees and holding up more weight isn't always good. It killed Kwame's career when he tried bulking up
     
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    Well I have 2 different perspectives. If I had no depth at center position, and needed a player to log 48 mpg, I'd go for Oden. If I had a team with good depth, then I could have a more dominant guy who can log less minutes at the moment and go for Bynum.

    I think overall, if Oden didn't have knee surgery, and I had to take 1 of the two this year. I'd take Oden for the year. But taking Knee surgery into consideration is hard, I'd definitely give the nod of Bynum over knee rehabbing Oden lol.

    However I think that Bynum has more potential, and I'd probably lean towards taking Bynum in the long run.

    Although most of what I'm saying is speculation lol.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Dec 26 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 26 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At least Bynum has already proven he can play at the next level, while Oden still has not.</div>

    Cute argument, but do you actually believe that? Do you actually believe that Oden will not be able to play at the next level? If you do then stop wasting your time by trying to present an argument thats out of context
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    Bynum has already proven at his age that he can match up against NBA competition. Why would I give him up for someone who has never stepped foot onto an NBA court, yet has already received a season ending injury? Bynum has already proved he can average a double double, he has already proved he can compete and put up big numbers in this league. So again, why would I give him up for someone who hasn't done a thing in the league except getting injured for an entire season. Also, it's not like Bynum is already in his prime, he is only 20 years old, only 1 year older than Greg Oden. If he's averaging a double double now, he can only get better. He has shown drastic improvements during each and every season he has been in the league.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 27 2007, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Dec 26 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you actually believe that Oden will not be able to play at the next level?</div>
    Bynum has already proven at his age that he can match up against NBA competition. Why would I give him up for someone who has never stepped foot onto an NBA court, yet has already received a season ending injury? Bynum has already proved he can average a double double, he has already proved he can compete and put up big numbers in this league. So again, why would I give him up for someone who hasn't done a thing in the league except getting injured for an entire season. Also, it's not like Bynum is already in his prime, he is only 20 years old, only 1 year older than Greg Oden. If he's averaging a double double now, he can only get better. He has shown drastic improvements during each and every season he has been in the league.
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    You put in a solid paragraph there, so I'll at least say that it was a decent attempt at dodging my question
     
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    One advantage Bynum does have over Oden. He's being coached by a legendary center. Kareem.

    Oden looks too old anyway for a Laker Uniform. He'll make all the Laker players look like babies. haha
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Dec 27 2007, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 27 2007, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Dec 26 2007, 11:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you actually believe that Oden will not be able to play at the next level?</div>
    Bynum has already proven at his age that he can match up against NBA competition. Why would I give him up for someone who has never stepped foot onto an NBA court, yet has already received a season ending injury? Bynum has already proved he can average a double double, he has already proved he can compete and put up big numbers in this league. So again, why would I give him up for someone who hasn't done a thing in the league except getting injured for an entire season. Also, it's not like Bynum is already in his prime, he is only 20 years old, only 1 year older than Greg Oden. If he's averaging a double double now, he can only get better. He has shown drastic improvements during each and every season he has been in the league.
    </div>

    You put in a solid paragraph there, so I'll at least say that it was a decent attempt at dodging my question
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    How am I dodging your question? I already answered it in my previous posts.

    Do I think Oden will be able to play at the next level? What type of question is that? Of course I believe he will be able to play at the next level. I already said that I believe Oden will have a very successful career in the NBA, but so will Bynum. Did I answer your question now? Just because I believe Bynum will be successful doesn't mean I believe Oden won't
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 27 2007, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do I think Oden will be able to play at the next level? What type of question is that? Of course I believe he will be able to play at the next level.</div>

    So then why did you say this:


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 26 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At least Bynum has already proven he can play at the next level, while Oden still has not.</div>

    Seems like a pretty poor argument if you're going to contradicit the validity of it. Like, what's the point of mentioning that for picking Bynum over Oden when you're going to inheretly attack that support to your claim? You're kinda hurting yourself here.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Dec 27 2007, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 27 2007, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do I think Oden will be able to play at the next level? What type of question is that? Of course I believe he will be able to play at the next level.</div>

    So then why did you say this:


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 26 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At least Bynum has already proven he can play at the next level, while Oden still has not.</div>

    Seems like a pretty poor argument if you're going to contradicit the validity of it. Like, what's the point of mentioning that for picking Bynum over Oden when you're going to inheretly attack that support to your claim? You're kinda hurting yourself here.
    </div>GMJigga, he said that he thinks that Oden will be able to play at the next level. However Bynum has proven against NBA centers and teams what he can do.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Dec 27 2007, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 27 2007, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do I think Oden will be able to play at the next level? What type of question is that? Of course I believe he will be able to play at the next level.</div>

    So then why did you say this:


    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 26 2007, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>At least Bynum has already proven he can play at the next level, while Oden still has not.</div>

    Seems like a pretty poor argument if you're going to contradicit the validity of it. Like, what's the point of mentioning that for picking Bynum over Oden when you're going to inheretly attack that support to your claim? You're kinda hurting yourself here.
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    Bynum has already proven he can get a double double and two blocks per game, Oden has not. Oden has been injured the entire season. It is a fact that Oden has not proven anything in the next level because he hasn't played in the next level. And just because I believe Oden will be successsful doesn't really matter because Bynum is having a successful season, while Oden is not. I don't really see why people aren't getting my point across

    Andrew Bynum (20 years old): 13 ppg, 62% fg, 10 rpg, 2 apg, 2 bpg

    Greg Oden (19 years old): out for the season, micro-fracture surgery

    Bynum is obviously having a very successful season and has exceeded everyone's expectations. So why would I pick a player like Oden when he hasn't even done a thing in the league yet except being injured? It's not like Bynum's riding the pine. He's not playing garbage minutes. He's starting and he's contributing. Again, this is just my opinion, but if I can have a young talented big, a choice between Bynum or Oden, I would choose Bynum. I don't see why people are giving me such a hard time, if you want Oden, then so be it. But so far, Bynum is the much safer pick, isn't he? And again, next season, or two seasons down the road, if Oden all of a sudden becomes head and shoulders above Bynum, you can bump up this thread and embarrass the hell out of me all you'd like. You can ban me from the site for all I care, because it won't happen

    Anyways, this will be my last post for today. If you want to continue arguing because you want to change my opinion, then so be it. I'll be here tomorrow
     
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    So paraphrasing here: why would you say that you'd pick Bynum over Oden because Oden is unproven, even though you also say that you think Oden will prove himself.
     

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