<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ma3oxuct @ Feb 2 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Byron Scott is a great motivator. He gets players playing hard, something Frank is really bad at.</div> Exactly. For as much as Scott is deficient at X's and O's, he realizes that and delegates those tasks. Meanwhile he does a phenomenal job of getting his players to work hard. </div> That was not the case when the Nets had a .500 record in 2004. </div> The Nets were 22-20 when Scott left and it was clear that Kidd shut the team down, mostly because he didn't want a coach telling him what to do. </div> "Meanwhile he does a phenomenal job of getting his players to work hard." Oh yeah, he sure did that to Kidd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ma3oxuct @ Feb 2 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Byron Scott is a great motivator. He gets players playing hard, something Frank is really bad at.</div> Exactly. For as much as Scott is deficient at X's and O's, he realizes that and delegates those tasks. Meanwhile he does a phenomenal job of getting his players to work hard. </div> That was not the case when the Nets had a .500 record in 2004. </div> The Nets were 22-20 when Scott left and it was clear that Kidd shut the team down, mostly because he didn't want a coach telling him what to do. </div> "Meanwhile he does a phenomenal job of getting his players to work hard." Oh yeah, he sure did that to Kidd. </div> Kidd is a great player, but is not exactly known for his fondness of coaches.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 06:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ma3oxuct @ Feb 2 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Byron Scott is a great motivator. He gets players playing hard, something Frank is really bad at.</div> Exactly. For as much as Scott is deficient at X's and O's, he realizes that and delegates those tasks. Meanwhile he does a phenomenal job of getting his players to work hard. </div> That was not the case when the Nets had a .500 record in 2004. </div> The Nets were 22-20 when Scott left and it was clear that Kidd shut the team down, mostly because he didn't want a coach telling him what to do. </div> "Meanwhile he does a phenomenal job of getting his players to work hard." Oh yeah, he sure did that to Kidd. </div> Kidd is a great player, but is not exactly known for his fondness of coaches. </div> That didnt detract from Kidd's play however. In addition, the other players did not feel so "motivated" to play hard.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That didnt detract from Kidd's play however. In addition, the other players did not feel so "motivated" to play hard.</div> Kidd has been known to shut things down a bit when he wants change. Not all too different than what he is doing this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Feb 2 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I give credit to the GM for that. People see his success now and forget what a horrible coach he was in NJ. I'm not a Hornets fan so I could care less what he does now, I just care what he did while he was here. If you guys want to have a short memory and forget thats fine but I won't.</div> It's funny, while Scott was here Thorn was GM of the year and widely loved by fans. Now all I read about is how everyone wants to get rid of Thorn. Now Scott is succeeding in NO because of their GM? Kind of odd if you ask me. You would think Scott must be doing something right. </div> We loved Thorn back then because he got us Kidd and surrounded Kidd with pieces that fit. Scott did not save this franchise, Thorn and Kidd did that. Scott was a horrible coach and still is a horrible coach. The Hornets management has gotten in players that work well together, while our management has just been throwing pieces together that simply do not work. We hate Thorn now because he has been doing a shitty job for the past few years, unlike he did during the 01-04 runs. </div> Graph out the two teams since Scott was asked to leave the Nets and you will see they are trending in complete opposite directions. I am the first to admit that Scott is not, and never will be, a good X's and O's/game manager. But what Scott did do, and the Nets have lacked since he left, is fire and a sense of urgency. Even for the poor mixture of players the Nets currently have (which I completely agree with), to be a .500/sub .500 team in the EC with the players the Nets have is complete a total under performance. And to make it worse, everyone excepts it. </div> You should PM Jizzy...I have a feeling you guys would really get along.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That didnt detract from Kidd's play however. In addition, the other players did not feel so "motivated" to play hard.</div> Kidd has been known to shut things down a bit when he wants change. Not all too different than what he is doing this year. </div> Right....now lets see if you can justify that claim from the 04 season. As for this year, you can probably make an argument for that, but you would need to consider other factors such as age and natural deterioration of one's game. BTW, Im still waiting for a response to my other post. You know? The one that gives an explanation that the decline of the Nets has been due to mismanagement, not Scott's firing? And that the improvement of the Hornets is due to the fact they couldnt get any worse, and that their roster this year is actually "good?" As another example, look at the Celtics this year. Doc Rivers may get COY award even though he is a terrible coach. The roster is great, not the coach.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That didnt detract from Kidd's play however. In addition, the other players did not feel so "motivated" to play hard.</div> Kidd has been known to shut things down a bit when he wants change. Not all too different than what he is doing this year. </div> Right....now lets see if you can justify that claim from the 04 season. As for this year, you can probably make an argument for that, but you would need to consider other factors such as age and natural deterioration of one's game. BTW, Im still waiting for a response to my other post. You know? The one that gives an explanation that the decline of the Nets has been due to mismanagement, not Scott's firing? And that the improvement of the Hornets is due to the fact they couldnt get any worse, and that their team this year is actually "good?" As another example, look at the Celtics this year. Doc Rivers may get COY award even though he is a terrible coach. The roster is great, not the coach. </div> At the time of Scott's release, there were plenty of articles blaming Kidd for it. So Kidd, through his play and influence, did affect the team. As far as Scott's coaching ability, I have already noted his short comings...so it is not as if I am saying he is the greatest coach ever. But he does get his team to play hard. And regardless of how poorly put together the Nets are, their talent level is clearly better than a sub .500 team in the EC...which they have been playing at for an extended period of time now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 2 2008, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That didnt detract from Kidd's play however. In addition, the other players did not feel so "motivated" to play hard.</div> Kidd has been known to shut things down a bit when he wants change. Not all too different than what he is doing this year. </div> Right....now lets see if you can justify that claim from the 04 season. As for this year, you can probably make an argument for that, but you would need to consider other factors such as age and natural deterioration of one's game. BTW, Im still waiting for a response to my other post. You know? The one that gives an explanation that the decline of the Nets has been due to mismanagement, not Scott's firing? And that the improvement of the Hornets is due to the fact they couldnt get any worse, and that their team this year is actually "good?" As another example, look at the Celtics this year. Doc Rivers may get COY award even though he is a terrible coach. The roster is great, not the coach. </div> At the time of Scott's release, there were plenty of articles blaming Kidd for it. So Kidd, through his play and influence, did affect the team. As far as Scott's coaching ability, I have already noted his short comings...so it is not as if I am saying he is the greatest coach ever. But he does get his team to play hard. And regardless of how poorly put together the Nets are, their talent level is clearly better than a sub .500 team in the EC...which they have been playing at for an extended period of time now. </div> I know kidd was to blame for Scott's firing; however it was becoming evident that the team was under performing and that it was due to coaching and the team not playing hard overall. Didnt you say that he gets the team to play hard. As I said before, that was not the case in the 04 season. Kidd noticed this and took the initiative and demanded that Scott be fired. Now note, I dont like Kidd playing the GM role, because he sucks at it, but calling for Scott's head was a good move on his part, for Scott was not doing his job anymore and he wasnt any good at either. And yes, the talent level on this team is good, but when you have talent that DOES NOT mix together, like Kidd and Carter for example, you are not going to see a good product on the floor. Nearly everything is wrong with this current team-management, stubborn coaching, to the players themselves. But of course, the one who is responsible for constructing this team is ignoring everything.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as Scott's coaching ability, I have already noted his short comings...so it is not as if I am saying he is the greatest coach ever. But he does get his team to play hard. And regardless of how poorly put together the Nets are, their talent level is clearly better than a sub .500 team in the EC...which they have been playing at for an extended period of time now.</div> Vince is hurt, Nenad has been out all season, Mwill just got back, and we have no bench. Lawrence Frank sucks but we'd be in the same place or worse with Byron Scott. Motivation isn't the problem. Honestly giving the circumstances we arent much better than the way we have played...we've lost some tough ones and we are where we are. If we were healthy we'd be better off but we haven't been. bottom line is even if Byron Scott is a great motivater, you can't motivate injured players.
I forgot this is Frank's first season. I take it back. Riley is a great motivator but he' having an off year. His motivation powers are diminished. That's the main reason the Heat are so bad.
Next, we'll be visited by the Ghost of Jim McIlvaine, who will tell us what a great motivator Don Casey was...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 2 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as Scott's coaching ability, I have already noted his short comings...so it is not as if I am saying he is the greatest coach ever. But he does get his team to play hard. And regardless of how poorly put together the Nets are, their talent level is clearly better than a sub .500 team in the EC...which they have been playing at for an extended period of time now.</div> Vince is hurt, Nenad has been out all season, Mwill just got back, and we have no bench. Lawrence Frank sucks but we'd be in the same place or worse with Byron Scott. Motivation isn't the problem. Honestly giving the circumstances we arent much better than the way we have played...we've lost some tough ones and we are where we are. If we were healthy we'd be better off but we haven't been. bottom line is even if Byron Scott is a great motivater, you can't motivate injured players. </div> I've been hearing the injury excuse for 3+ years now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Feb 2 2008, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Next, we'll be visited by the Ghost of Jim McIlvaine, who will tell us what a great motivator Don Casey was...</div> The tolerance Nets fan have for losing is matched only by the complacency of Frank.
Lawrence Frank is a terrible coach, and the team would be much better off without him. If we had Byron Scott, we'd be a much better team. He knows how to motivate players. Look how hard the Hornets are playing. He must be a great coach. A better coach would be able to motivate Vince Carter to play harder. That would make us a much better team. If we just had a shooter, the team would be much better. All we're missing is a shooter. Jason Collins is a waste of space who does not deserve to be on an NBA roster. Why does he play so much? Sean Williams is clearly the answer to our problems. Why isn't he playing more? Jamaal Magloire is clearly the answer to our problems. Why isn't he playing more? Hasaan Adams is clearly the answer to our problems. Why did we cut him? Jason Kidd does all the little things. He's a great point guard who you can't really judge with numbers. It's not his fault the team is having such a rough season, it's the players around him. I only just now realized all of this. Thank you, posters on the board. It all makes sense now.
The bigger mistake was not letting go of Scott earlier and then promoting Jordan to head coach; rather then letting Jordan leave to Washington
eddie jordan is the best coach out of scott and frank, BTW. i REALLY wish we had him. man, we had top notch assistants back in our hayday. frank, cartwright, eddie jordan, o koren on the bench with scott
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 2 2008, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lawrence Frank is a terrible coach, and the team would be much better off without him. If we had Byron Scott, we'd be a much better team. He knows how to motivate players. Look how hard the Hornets are playing. He must be a great coach. A better coach would be able to motivate Vince Carter to play harder. That would make us a much better team. If we just had a shooter, the team would be much better. All we're missing is a shooter. Jason Collins is a waste of space who does not deserve to be on an NBA roster. Why does he play so much? Sean Williams is clearly the answer to our problems. Why isn't he playing more? Jamaal Magloire is clearly the answer to our problems. Why isn't he playing more? Hasaan Adams is clearly the answer to our problems. Why did we cut him? Jason Kidd does all the little things. He's a great point guard who you can't really judge with numbers. It's not his fault the team is having such a rough season, it's the players around him. I only just now realized all of this. Thank you, posters on the board. It all makes sense now.</div> You forgot to mention Malik Allen. Why the hell is he even playing basketball? (I'm not really sure if I'm serious or joking with this one. You guess.)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 2 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>eddie jordan is the best coach out of scott and frank, BTW. i REALLY wish we had him. man, we had top notch assistants back in our hayday. frank, cartwright, eddie jordan, o koren on the bench with scott</div> And out of Jason Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and Vince Carter, I'd say our best player is Jason Collins. What now?
