And the reason why I said I hope he's joking is cause it will NEVER happen. First and foremost, Pax isn't dumb enough to do that trade. Those are two of the cornerstones of the Bulls franchise, and he's not going to trade it for a center who can't stay out of foul trobuble and a thus far career underachiever in Odom. Beyond that, the salary won't work. Odom alone makes more than both of those guys combined, throw Mihm in there, and the Bulls would need to add a couple more players for that deal to ever work.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bruin007:</div><div class="quote_post">No your'e basically giving up an injury prone, lanky center and Odom (he is great but doesn't fit in for the Lakers) for two young talented players one will be an allstar within two years and the other is a versatile big that can play the 3 or some four against a team like the Suns... I know we'd be giving up rebounding in Odom but we can address that throught the free agency it doesn't take a lot of skill to be a rebounder its the most basic skill in bball (just look at dennis rodman he made a career out of that one talent alone) plus we wouldn't be giving up defense seeing how Lamar is always getting in foul trouble and Mihm is a great shot blocker when he's not injures. Deng is awesome and Gordon is going to be an all star... This won't get done because its too risky but in my eyes its the safest bet with those two.</div>Might I ask, but what Lamar Odom are you talking about? He doesn't get in foul trouble very often. He only averaged 3.2 per game last season. And another factor, look at his minutes. A person in constant foul trouble doesn't play 40.3 minutes a night. Also....Deng isn't a big. Not even close. He can't really play PF. He doesn't have enough bulk or muscle on him to do that. Also, rebounding takes a lot of skill. Why do you think a lot of people aren't good at it? Just look at Eddy Curry. He's a big man but a horrible rebounder because he doesn't know how. In order to rebound, you have to know how to get in position, and that takes a lot more than you think. Why do you think undersized guys like Rodman, Marion, and even Jason Kidd are/were all good rebounders. Cause they know how to get in position. If you can't do that, you'll be a horrible rebounder, just like Eddy Curry. And how would that be a risky deal? The Bulls would be getting raped in a deal like that. They'd be getting a big who's had injury issues and is in the last year or his contract, along with getting a talented, yet overpaid and underachieving Lamar Odom. The Lakers...two kids on their rookie deals still will a ton of potential, and neither will break the bank come contract negotiation time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also, rebounding takes a lot of skill. Why do you think a lot of people aren't good at it? Just look at Eddy Curry. He's a big man but a horrible rebounder because he doesn't know how. In order to rebound, you have to know how to get in position, and that takes a lot more than you think.</div> Just curious Moo, do you think Tyson Chandler is a good rebounder and knows positioning?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Just curious Moo, do you think Tyson Chandler is a good rebounder and knows positioning?</div>I do. He knows how to rebound. Hence why he averaged nearly 10 a game the last two season in under 30 minutes per game. He knows how to get in position and knows how to use his length and athleticism as well. Again, if size mattered, we wouldn't see the likes of Reggie Evans dominating the boards, we wouldn't have seen Dennis Rodman make a career off rebounding, wouldn't see Shawn Marion dominating the boards, etc., etc.
bruin007, I dont know what your love fest is with Luol Deng. He is a good player, but he is nothing you are putting him out to be. I remember a couple of days before the draft you were saying how the Lakers should trade Lamar Odom for Luol Deng. Well, like I said before, Lamar Odom means a lot to this triangle. Lamar Odom is what makes this triangle run. You take him out of the roster, and who else has the ability to push the ball and run the triangle? Smush? Gordon? No way. If the Lakers trade Odom and Mihm for Deng and Gordon, they wont even make the playoffs. Deng is a good player, but as of now, he is just another role player in the league. Players like Deng are a dime dozen in the this league. Gordon is a great offensive player, but how will he fit on this Lakers team? We dont need any more scorers. What we need is more defensive minded players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think he thinks he is joking for that reason. Gordon and Luol Deng would be a steal for the Lakers for Mihm and Odom.</div> Eh, I dunno, I don't like it unless we get a big in return, we're too thin to trade two of our three legit bigs...
Rule of Thumb. You dont TRADE BIG for Small. Unless of course your getting a Michael Jordan in return for your BIG. A trade involving Deng/Gordon for Odom/Mihm would mean Laker DOOM!! Now if we could get Noconi also...hmmmmm I still have love for ODOM though.
i don't think so, he needs to be the star on a team or else he's not happy. Look how he thrived in sac, he was the image of that team. Then in Philly he asked to get more touches, and the star there is A.I. In LA....there's Kobe.
as a sixers fan, i'd love for you guys to take webber's contract, but i dont see why i would want this if i were a lakers fan.. you'd probably have to trade odom to make the salaries work too, and i dont think kobe + webber is better than kobe + odom
I HATE to do this, but I was really thinking about a certain PF: KEVIN GARNETT. If you look at where the Lakers are going to be next year salary-wise, the only players that are locked in for next year are Lamar Odom, Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum, J.R. Pinnock, Ronny Turiaf, Maurice Evans, Vladimir Radmanovic, and Jordan Farmar. We may resign a couple of players such as Smush Parker, Sasha Vujacic, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton, and we will have PLENTY of money left over. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the league gives the money for LLE and MLE, so those are technically two "free" players. Also, we have quite a few rookies coming in next season. Now, there is NO WAY Garnett is going to be asking for $20M+ after this season, and it's not allowed to speculate that you are interested in a player, so maybe while we are wondering why Kupchak isn't making any moves, it is because he plans on bringing in Garnett next season. I say look him up for 3-year $48M deal. If what I am saying is true, from hating Kupchak we will be worshipping now since we have this sick lineup: PG Jordan Farmar SG Kobe Bryant SF Lamar Odom PF Kevin Garnett C Kwame Brown??? (Though I think we should be looking for a pure center). This would answer a lot, and who else to join the team to mentor Kwame Brown? And, we are probably trying to lure in KG by having his "buddies" on the team in Kobe and Maurice Evans. 2007-08 season=NEW LAKER DYNASTY!!!!!!!!!
Garnett is a no now. It's too late. He's 30 years old and he's past his peak. I think he's got a couple of steady years stat wise but thats it. There's pure decline from then on. I think we already have a solid team. We are already capable of winning 50-55 games and if we can aquire a solid, above average point guard, we're well on our way to winning 60 games a season. I honestly believe we will be a force in two or three years. All we need is steady growth and in two years, we will be championship material without a second superstar and without Kevin Garnett. <u>Ages</u> Kobe Bryant - 28 Lamar Odom - 27 Kwame Brown - 24 Chris Mihm - 27 Vladamir Radmanovic - 26 Luke Walton - 26 Andrew Bynum - 18 This team reminds me of the 1997 Lakers. I haven't been a fan of the NBA for that long but I've seen various matches from that season on DVD. That team was young, sure they had Shaq but we have a combination of Kwame Brown and Lamar Odom. For most players, the peak comes between the ages 27 to 30. All of our main players will be between them ages. This team with a couple of decent additions(not necessarily all star calibure) and we could have a championship team. Look at what happened to the 1997 team, three years later there was a dynasty. Three years down the line I believe we will be capable and one of the elite teams.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting lakerman34:</div><div class="quote_post">I HATE to do this, but I was really thinking about a certain PF: KEVIN GARNETT. If you look at where the Lakers are going to be next year salary-wise, the only players that are locked in for next year are Lamar Odom, Kobe Bryant, Andrew Bynum, J.R. Pinnock, Ronny Turiaf, Maurice Evans, Vladimir Radmanovic, and Jordan Farmar. We may resign a couple of players such as Smush Parker, Sasha Vujacic, Kwame Brown, and Luke Walton, and we will have PLENTY of money left over. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the league gives the money for LLE and MLE, so those are technically two "free" players. Also, we have quite a few rookies coming in next season. Now, there is NO WAY Garnett is going to be asking for $20M+ after this season, and it's not allowed to speculate that you are interested in a player, so maybe while we are wondering why Kupchak isn't making any moves, it is because he plans on bringing in Garnett next season. I say look him up for 3-year $48M deal. If what I am saying is true, from hating Kupchak we will be worshipping now since we have this sick lineup: PG Jordan Farmar SG Kobe Bryant SF Lamar Odom PF Kevin Garnett C Kwame Brown??? (Though I think we should be looking for a pure center). This would answer a lot, and who else to join the team to mentor Kwame Brown? And, we are probably trying to lure in KG by having his "buddies" on the team in Kobe and Maurice Evans. 2007-08 season=NEW LAKER DYNASTY!!!!!!!!!</div> We wont have enough money under the cap next season to sign Kevin Garnett. Those eight players you mentioned who are still under contract get paid 44 million, and the NBA salary cap is set at 49 million. That gives us only 5 million under the cap to sign KG and about 5 players to fill up the roster. Also, I'm completely sure on this, but isnt the MLE only for teams above the cap?
Let me put an end to the KG to Laker talk. If KG wanted to be a Laker, he would be a Laker by now. With his current deal he holds all the negotiating power on where he wants to end up. He has a great relationship with the TWolves owner, and Glen Taylor said if KG asks to be traded we will do our best to accomodate him. Bottomline, KG doesn't want to play for any team except Minnesota. He doesn't want the stigma of being a quitter attached with his career.
Webber still has a few years left in his legs, any team that can get him will get production from him. Minus the salary, I think he can fit nicely in the Laker roster. Webber is at a point in his career where he is willing to be a back up. Without the pressure of taking the big shots during clutch situation, I feel that Webber can do a lot for the team. The guy rebounds, can score anywhere from the court and he's an unselfish player. Behind Kobe, Webber can be an asset to the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AMS_ice:</div><div class="quote_post">Webber still has a few years left in his legs, any team that can get him will get production from him. Minus the salary, I think he can fit nicely in the Laker roster. Webber is at a point in his career where he is willing to be a back up. Without the pressure of taking the big shots during clutch situation, I feel that Webber can do a lot for the team. The guy rebounds, can score anywhere from the court and he's an unselfish player. Behind Kobe, Webber can be an asset to the team.</div> Webber wouldnt mind being a back up? What Webber are you talking about? The guy still believes he is one of the best in the league, and there is no way his ego will allow him to come off the bench. Webber will only slow down the team with his legs. He also is a horrible defender, which is nothing we need on this team. He will provide us with some offense, but he needs the ball to be effective. How will we be able to give Odom, Kobe, Vlade, AND Webber enough touches in one game to satisfy all three?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">. How will we be able to give Odom, Kobe, Vlade, AND Webber enough touches in one game to satisfy all three?</div> Isn't Vlade retired? I agree with all the posters that any trade for C-Webb would be a bad idea, because he makes 20 million, has difficulty on defense against PFs, and Odom is probably a better offensive option. Regarding the Deng&Gordon for Odom/Mihm, Salaries don't come close to matching.
Just what the Lakers need. A guy who is like 40 and has bad knees. The Lakers need younger players who can actually play Defense to help Kobe. Either that or the Lakers need Bruce Bowen. That lineup is NASTY: PG-Smush SG-Kobe SF-Bowen PF-Odom C-Scrubs of either Kwame Brown or Chris Mihm, heck put me there
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">Isn't Vlade retired?</div> Vlad Radmanovic, not Vlade Divac. lol. My bad
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Brian:</div><div class="quote_post">Webber wouldnt mind being a back up? What Webber are you talking about? The guy still believes he is one of the best in the league, and there is no way his ego will allow him to come off the bench. Webber will only slow down the team with his legs. He also is a horrible defender, which is nothing we need on this team. He will provide us with some offense, but he needs the ball to be effective. How will we be able to give Odom, Kobe, Vlade, AND Webber enough touches in one game to satisfy all three?</div> Webber is back up to Iverson in Philly. He won't mind playing back up to Kobe. I think Webber wants to win at this point. He's been in the spotlight but wasn't able to deliver big, ultimately he just wants to win (just ask Karl Malone).
