Politics California To Have Harsher Penalty For Pronoun Violations Than For Knowingly Spreading HIV

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  1. TradeNurkicNow

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    Yeah, fuck having a healthy relationship with your family, friends, and community. Fuck trying to educate those around you about the variety of life. Fuck trying to foster a sense of community that includes your identity. Just withdraw from everyone instead of communicating, and live the baddass libertarian lifestyle of your dreams, where you are invisible and don't make anyone else uncomfortable. It's a win-win!
     
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    Fuck them if they refuse to accept you.

    Get it?

    Why should you try to please them at terrible cost?
     
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    Was it an American coffee? He might have had a point?
     
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    Calling "them" their prefered pronoun is a terrible cost to you?

    Wow.
     
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    I think you're latching on to the smallest part of that law. Most of it has to do with someone using their power to deny entrance or transferring or basically abusing someone in an assisted living for seniors. Do you think someone working at an assisted living facility should be able to use their position to abuse seniors because they don't like their sexual orientation, or their race, or their religion or whatever? Do you think seniors can stand up for themselves in a situation like that?
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    Why the fuck is everyone acting like this is about using the wrong pronoun? Though it's fucked up to willfully call a trans person the wrong pronoun, this isn't a sweeping law for society.

    It's clearly about employees in assisted living for the elderly abusing their patients.

    B 219 strengthens protections for LGBTQ seniors living in long-term care facilities against discrimination

    This is about protecting people who can't protect themselves from the people who are supposed to be taking care of them.
     
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    Reading is fundamental.

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    I went into business with a fellow. Shortly after we got started, he told me he was born a man but is really a woman. It didn't phase me in the least. We were partners for several years. We hired several trans people and promoted them and gave them regular raises and so on. We let them use the bathroom of their choice and nobody seemed to care. I gave my executive assistant time off to have THE surgery, and she had her job when she was ready to come back. I danced with her at company parties. This was in the '90s, before it was hip to do these sorts of things.

    That's how it's done. No law they passed could have forced us to hire and treat our employees as we did or make me dance with a trans woman.

    A generation later, these friends of mine are setting examples for everyone else. They've accomplished a great deal in their careers, in spite of what other people might think.

    There's no point in a law about pronoun usage. It's just downright silly and dangerous. It almost certainly violates the 1st amendment (free speech) if not all sorts of individual liberties provisions.

    However, if a person wants to sue or even bring up a class action suit, that's how you address that kind of grievance.

    Government can make all the rules it wants regarding its operations and employees. We all have a say in that (we elect people who enact our favored policies).
     
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    Existing laws cover LGBT descrimination.

    Discrimination at assisted living facilities would be a violation of the fair housing act and the existing California State "California Fair Employment and Housing Act."


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    https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/transgender-people-and-law

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    Again... you don't understand what this law is about.
     
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    For clarity's sake.

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    See my post after yours.

    How do you explain away the penalties for wrong pronouns?
     
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    Do you think an employee verbally abusing a senior in assisted care facility is something that could be grounds for criminal prosecution?

    Let me rephrase, what would you want to happen to someone that called a black senior in an assisted care facility a n****r?
     
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    No. I think it's a civil issue. Sue the bastards into oblivion.

    If you can make the case that pronouns somehow mean discrimination in terms of care, you'll win.
     
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    What, you didn't like me misusing your prefered pronoun?
     
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    Clickbait article.
     
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    "I lost my father recently."

    "Fuck 'em! I'm going to argue with you on things I care nothing about and know nothing about until you leave!"
     
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    What am I supposed to make of this?

    You being an idiot.
     
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    https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB219

    Among other things, the bill would make it unlawful, except as specified, for any long-term care facility to take specified actions wholly or partially on the basis of a person’s actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, or human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) status, including, among others, willfully and repeatedly failing to use a resident’s preferred name or pronouns after being clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns
     
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