<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Only one guy has caught more than 50 passes (Caldwell with a blazing 61 receptions) and no one managed to break 800 yards or 4 tds. No one, who catches balls for the Patriots, is a go-to-guy which will make last minute game winning drives more difficult in my opinion. Top that off with Belichick's biggest mistake and that was letting the greatest clutch kicker in NFL history go to the team that they have to play this Sunday. Are the Colts going to have to play a good game to beat a very good Patriots' team? Sure. However, this Patriots team isn't a good as the Patriot teams that won the three Super Bowls and they are beatable. To top things off, the Patriots have been celebrating like they've actually won something already. I think the Colts, Payton Manning in particular, realize that they haven't won anything until they win the Super Bowl, which makes the Colts the hungrier and more focused team going into the game.</div> The counter argument to your view of no go to guy would be that the Colts can't gameplan to shut down any single guy. The Pats have ALWAYS been known to spread the ball more than most. They've had games this season where 10 different receivers caught a pass. How do you defend that? And I'm not ready to say letting Adam go was the biggest mistake until we get beat in a meaningful game that's decided by a FG. You want to harp on the celebrating, but those few players who did the celebrating haven't experienced a SB run. The benefit of a lot of turnover in personel is you get guys who are hungry to win. The coaching staff excels at motivation & preparation. A let down factor is highly unlikely.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>You want us to believe that you respect the Pats, yet you constantly imply that all they do is cheat to get where they are. So your view is clearly clouded in bias & an agenda. I've always been objective. I picked the Chargers to win last week. Had these 2 faced off last year in the postseason I would've picked Indy. This year the Colts have struggled. Prior to the playoffs their defense had taken a step back. Now the offense has been shaky. The Patriots haven't been perfect either, but they're a better team than the last 2 Colt's opponents IMO. They have a history of success in Indy & in the playoffs. 5-0 all time in AFC title games.</div> I'm bias? That might hurt coming from anyone other than a Patriots fan. Did you read my post with an objective mind. No, your response is clearly an emotionally charged one based on your bias. I never said that the Colts WOULD beat the Patriots. All I said was that the Patriots aren't as good as when they won their three Super Bowls and the Colts should see them as beatable, but your biats won't allow you to consider even the smallest possibilty that the Patriots could be considered beatable. Bakes, take the log out your own eye before you try to remove the splinter from mine.
[quote name='bakes781']I've always been objective. I picked the Chargers to win last week.[/quote] Objective?? Rational or practical are more appropriate. Though, I am not expert on semantics. [quote name='bakes781']This year the Colts have struggled. Prior to the playoffs their defense had taken a step back. Now the offense has been shaky.[/quote] Here is what I find funny and ironic; The Colts can't win for losing. They won 12 games and their division w/ "terrible" D. Then the D rises up and all of a sudden, the cry goes out now their offense sucks & PM isn't himself. [quote name='bakes781']The Patriots haven't been perfect either,[/quote] I want this saved. Its modesty @ its finest. [quote name='bakes781']but they're a better team than the last 2 Colt's opponents IMO.[/quote] So much for alleged objectivity. [quote name='DD']Novice football fans always give the QB too much credit for success and too much blame for failure and ignore the fact that there are an entire team's worth of players to talk about. In this case, the Patriots glaring weakness lies in their poor WR corp. Only one guy has caught more than 50 passes[/quote] I don't know that I agree or disagree. Miami's WR corps was less than stellar and the QB play was the same as it has been since Dan left. It would seem that QB play is important but not crucial. Look @ how many "good" seasons had when Jay Keebler was the man, yet... True, the pats WR corps isn't great but it seems they win w/o a having a TO, ocho cinco, etc... The NFL is a copycat league and thats what is so annoying...There is no one correct formula for all 32 teams to win. Its a collection of coaching, personnel, scheme, execution, & most of all timing. Personally, there would be worse things than having NE win again. (cough) Rams (cough). Broncos. :reallysick:
For the record, I respect the Patriots accomplishments, but I don't respect the manner in which they conduct themselves and that starts with their petty head coach. Do I think the Patriots have cheated in the past. Yes, the snow plow is the most obvious case. The Tuck Rule was shady and they wouldn't have won one of their Super Bowls without it. Do I think that the Patriots cheated their way to all of their Super Bowl wins? No, the Patriots were an excellent team. They still are very good, but not as good as teams that won the three Super Bowls. I have exaggerated the cheating with the assumption that competent readers can find the humor and filter the truth from the joke. Now, I understand why BA never assumes. Everything I said in my posts about the Colts-Patriots game is what I believe. I'm sorry that it doesn't please your extreme Patriots bias, but please note that unlike you, I haven't declared anyone the Super Bowl winner yet so you can save your baseless accusations of bias for someone else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>You can't possibly be serious? lol</div> Thats for me to know and you to guess. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>You don't think corporations all over the world beg & plead with Brady to sponsor their products?</div> Yeah. Tommy Boy is the NFL's equivalent of a golden parachute. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>In case you haven't heard Brady has already upgraded to super model Gisele. </div> Downgrade IMO. bA has a weakness for literate brunettes w/ above average communication skills. If he were to hook up w/ Erin Burnett of CNBC then I'd be real jealous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Here is what I find funny and ironic; The Colts can't win for losing. They won 12 games and their division w/ "terrible" D. Then the D rises up and all of a sudden, the cry goes out now their offense sucks & PM isn't himself.</div> The fact remains the Colts lost 3 of their last 4 regular season games. Their defense was averaging 173 rushing yards against. So suddenly after 2 games they have it all figured out? I don't think so! You're exaggerating my point, but Manning has thrown 5 picks in 2 games. The were shut out of the endzone completely last week. So yes I'd say that is shaky at best.
I'm sure Manning will play better than he has, but I also believe their D is no where near as good as it's looked the last 2 games.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Here is what I find funny and ironic; The Colts can't win for losing. They won 12 games and their division w/ "terrible" D. Then the D rises up and all of a sudden, the cry goes out now their offense sucks & PM isn't himself.</div> The fact remains the Colts lost 3 of their last 4 regular season games. Their defense was averaging 173 rushing yards against. So suddenly after 2 games they have it all figured out? I don't think so! You're exaggerating my point, but Manning has thrown 5 picks in 2 games. The were shut out of the endzone completely last week. So yes I'd say that is shaky at best.</div> Wait the D playing good in last too games doesnt mean they have it all figured out, but manning struggling in last 2 games negates best season of any QB in league? You could make argument that playoffs is different but then you cant use regular season defensive stats to back up argument about the D. Trying to pull the ole switcharoo
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>The fact remains the Colts lost 3 of their last 4 regular season games. Their defense was averaging 173 rushing yards against. So suddenly after 2 games they have it all figured out? I don't think so! You're exaggerating my point, but Manning has thrown 5 picks in 2 games. The were shut out of the endzone completely last week. So yes I'd say that is shaky at best.</div> Fact: Colts won 12 games. I did not say they'd figured it out. To greatly simplify; No matter what Indy does they will never catch a break from those fools in the media. Bottom line; they won last week. Will they this week? Time will tell. Is it that you can hear hoofbeats and your sweating bullets?
nope pats win 41-27 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Wait the D playing good in last too games doesnt mean they have it all figured out, but manning struggling in last 2 games negates best season of any QB in league? You could make argument that playoffs is different but then you cant use regular season defensive stats to back up argument about the D. Trying to pull the ole switcharoo</div> Yeah I knew some1 would probably pick up on that. I'm sure it's some where in the middle, but in the end what that results in isn't enough to overcome the Pats in the playoffs IMO. In case you aren't aware the Pats have a pretty good running game this season.
Do you have to end evey thread w/ yet one more piece of pro-Pats Rhetoric? Is that objective? If so, I want off the merry-go-round; I'm getting dizzy. Dwo temporarily stands for Dramamine world order.
I'll breakdown the gameplan for both sides objectively shortly. For now I can be a homer all I want. Is it my fault there's no Colt fans here?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>If he were to hook up w/ Erin Burnett of CNBC then I'd be real jealous.</div> Hell yeah, she is hot!!! There is a report named Nicole Brady in Albuquerque, NM and she is easy on the eyes too. I like smart women but that obviously isn't all that matters. Some of the smartest women I've ever met or seen could easily make the Krispy Kreme swimsuit calendar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'll breakdown the gameplan for both sides objectively shortly. For now I can be a homer all I want. Is it my fault there's no Colt fans here?</div> Yes it is your fault. YOU are the one that chose this village of a message board when you could have gone to a large city.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Do you have to end evey thread w/ yet one more piece of pro-Pats Rhetoric? Is that objective? If so, I want off the merry-go-round; I'm getting dizzy. Dwo temporarily stands for Dramamine world order.</div> Your right, BA. This is a useless circle. Any notion that the Patriots can be beaten is bias and any opinion the Colts WILL beat the Patriots is blasphemy. How much do you want to bet that Bakes' "objective" breakdown will have the Patriots coming out on top? Bakes, if your going to be a homer all you want, then why are you calling out others for a supposed bias? Iguess it's like BF1 pointing out that you can rip Manning for two bad games, but won't acknowledge the Colts defense for two good games. You can really burn the truth candle at both ends, huh? Because I'm sure that if the Patriots lose on Sunday, the Patriots will still be the better team because the Patriots gave the game away or had it stolen from them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'>Do you have to end evey thread w/ yet one more piece of pro-Pats Rhetoric? Is that objective? If so, I want off the merry-go-round; I'm getting dizzy. Dwo temporarily stands for Dramamine world order.</div> Your right, BA. This is a useless circle. Any notion that the Patriots can be beaten is bias and any opinion the Colts WILL beat the Patriots is blasphemy. How much do you want to bet that Bakes' "objective" breakdown will have the Patriots coming out on top? Bakes, if your going to be a homer all you want, then why are you calling out others for a supposed bias? Iguess it's like BF1 pointing out that you can rip Manning for two bad games, but won't acknowledge the Colts defense for two good games. You can really burn the truth candle at both ends, huh? Because I'm sure that if the Patriots lose on Sunday, the Patriots will still be the better team because the Patriots gave the game away or had it stolen from them.</div> And if they win you'll tell us how they stole the game away again right? :whistle:
No, I've given the Patriots credit when it's due. You accused me of not doing that a couple of days ago and I proved you wrong then you dodged the issue. Remember? I'm sure you do, but reality gets in the way of tossing baseless accusations.
All I know is after every praise you give you end it with even though they stole previous titles. So it's only faint praise from what I've seen.
Here you go, Bakes. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>It's clear that Dale will never be able to suck up his pride & give the true credit the Patriots Dynasty deserves. With that said I was hurt by what LT said after the game b/c I respect him more than anyone that doesn't wear a Patriot's jersey. The fact is he's the only player who was reportedly hurt by this action of a couple of Patriots. The other fact is the Chargers had been disrepecting the Pats all week leading up to the game. The Chargers were the team that lost composure with stupid penalties throughout the game. LT is a class guy, but he wasn't the one being mocked. They were mocking Merriman(2 tackles) who does that dance even when he doesn't make a play. The Pats mock his stupid dance after winning the game that very few thought they could & I see nothing wrong with that. SD was the team who had a Super Bowl party already planned not NE. You earn respect. It's not handed to you. Notice I didn't even mention the word STEROIDS once! Stay classy San Diego!</div> What's clear is that Bakes can't pry the Patriot colored glasses off his face long enough to see the world as it truly is. I've given props to the Patriots for being the first dynasty of the 2,000's for a long time. I don't anymore because, between Rodney Harrison and the rest of the Pats crying about not being respected and the disrespectful remarks about other teams from their fanbase, I've grown to hate the Patriots guts. It wasn't always so though. I can remember when the Jets and the Bills were the only division rivals that I truly hated. But getting back to Bakes baseless accusation of the week, here are my words from an exchange that I had with TKO. Like I said, I've given the Patriots due credit for quite some time. Let's learn a new word today, objectivity. Yes, I'm a Dolphins fan but any poster on this board, that doesn't suffer from video game induced ADD, will tell you that one of my greatest qualities, other than my George Clooney-esqe good looks, rapier wit and unmatched literary acuity is my uncanny ability to extricate the truth from the deluge of hype that permeates these threads. I have no trouble giving the Patriots the respect that they have earned as the World Champions and the first dynasty of the 2000s. I hate the Jets but I have championed Curtis Martin as the most underrated running back in the NFL. I haven't spent as much time praising the Bills, but that's mainly because they really haven't earned much praise as of late. </div> I proved your baseless accusation wrong, but did you ever admit it? No, you just dodged this issue. People make good points all the time to you, but if you can't refute them, then you simply dodge them and redirect with another accusation. For example, you never answered my question about how you can readily admit to being as big a homer as you want to be and still call out guys for being bias? Do you think you can answer a direct question for once?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bakes781)</div><div class='quotemain'>All I know is after every praise you give you end it with even though they stole previous titles. So it's only faint praise from what I've seen.</div> Another false accusation. I never said that they stole previous titles. (plural) I said that they wouldn't have won their first Super Bowl without out "The Tuck Rule" which I still find shady. I followed that statement by saying that .... crap .... here's what I said. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>For the record, I respect the Patriots accomplishments, but I don't respect the manner in which they conduct themselves and that starts with their petty head coach. Do I think the Patriots have cheated in the past. Yes, the snow plow is the most obvious case. The Tuck Rule was shady and they wouldn't have won one of their Super Bowls without it. Do I think that the Patriots cheated their way to all of their Super Bowl wins? No, the Patriots were an excellent team. They still are very good, but not as good as teams that won the three Super Bowls. I have exaggerated the cheating with the assumption that competent readers can find the humor and filter the truth from the joke. Now, I understand why BA never assumes. Everything I said in my posts about the Colts-Patriots game is what I believe. I'm sorry that it doesn't please your extreme Patriots bias, but please note that unlike you, I haven't declared anyone the Super Bowl winner yet so you can save your baseless accusations of bias for someone else.</div> What part of "Do I think that the Patriots cheated their way to all of their Super Bowl wins? No, the Patriots were an excellent team" did you not understand? Of choose not to understand. Or chosse to misrepresent because you know there's no substance to what your saying?
