<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 17 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>BG7....Ahhhh. Do you take pride in make believe things? Like math and such. I mean, I could do that too you know. LeBron to Toronto in 2010! Okay, well since the Raptors are the bestest team evea!11!!1!! I'm going to go out and say, we'll have 90 million in cap room becuase BC will of signed Moon to a 50 mill contract and Parker to a 40 mill. Their contract will be up, so we add LBJ! We pay him all 90 milll and he stays forever. Now we have a team like this: PG - LBJ SG - Bosh SF - Calderon PF - Kris C - Bargnani Now, Bosh will play SG because he shot like 36% and so you know. The, you have the greatest team in NBA history with LBJ, Bosh and Bargnani. Hooray for me and the Raptors!</div> It isn't a prediction that we will get Lebron, or an assinine post like your's. It is just showing that the Bulls can easily create the capspace to sign a great player like Lebron. If not Lebron, than Joe Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, Micael Redd, Yao Ming, Tony Parker and Amare Stoudemire. You would have to assume the Bulls could land one of these guys considering how much talent they would already have on the team. I just made this more Lebron-centric because he is obviously the jackpot here. Dwyane Wade would be the 2nd best given the construct of our team. Pairing Stoudemire with Beasley would be great to watch offensively, but I would worry about them defensively. Then Bosh is a good fit next to Beasley as well. Carmelo is a fantastic scorer...but that would force Gordon to play point guard, which isn't ideal. Dirk Nowitzki is good, but he would be aging....but the NBA is a win now league, and he isn't old enough to where you stay away from him (like wallace), and he doesn't depend on athleticism, so he would be a good fit moving forward. Yao Ming would be a good center to put next to Beasley. Parker would give us a point guard and leadership, although an non ideal backcourt. McGrady, Johnson, and Redd would be the "aww damn, all the great guys passed us over" guys.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It isn't a prediction that we will get Lebron, or an assinine post like your's. It is just showing that the Bulls can easily create the capspace to sign a great player like Lebron.</div> Okay, so if my post is considered assinine, then I have 1 assinine post and you have how many...2,074?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler is also a free agent that year if he opts out. He would be ideal next to Beasley.</div> He'll re-sgin with NO. Paul>Hinrich
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It isn't a prediction that we will get Lebron, or an assinine post like your's. It is just showing that the Bulls can easily create the capspace to sign a great player like Lebron. If not Lebron, than Joe Johnson, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, Micael Redd, Yao Ming, Tony Parker and Amare Stoudemire. You would have to assume the Bulls could land one of these guys considering how much talent they would already have on the team. I just made this more Lebron-centric because he is obviously the jackpot here. Dwyane Wade would be the 2nd best given the construct of our team. Pairing Stoudemire with Beasley would be great to watch offensively, but I would worry about them defensively. Then Bosh is a good fit next to Beasley as well. Carmelo is a fantastic scorer...but that would force Gordon to play point guard, which isn't ideal. Dirk Nowitzki is good, but he would be aging....but the NBA is a win now league, and he isn't old enough to where you stay away from him (like wallace), and he doesn't depend on athleticism, so he would be a good fit moving forward. Yao Ming would be a good center to put next to Beasley. Parker would give us a point guard and leadership, although an non ideal backcourt. McGrady, Johnson, and Redd would be the "aww damn, all the great guys passed us over" guys.</div> Uh, no. Amare would do much better with a true big man.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is just showing that the Bulls can easily create the capspace to sign a great player like Lebron.</div> No, the math is wrong
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 17 2008, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler is also a free agent that year if he opts out. He would be ideal next to Beasley.</div> He'll re-sgin with NO. Paul>Hinrich </div> If Bulls renounce Thomas (which I could see them doing since they would already have Beasley/Noah in the frontcourt, and in this situation adding Chandler [Thomas obviously wouldn't have panned out if this scenario played out], we could offer Chandler a max deal, and New Orleans (like Detroit did with Wallace in 2006) will just say have him. That would leave the Bulls with a core of: PG-Kirk Hinrich SG-Ben Gordon/Thabo Sefolosha SF-Luol Deng/Thabo Sefolosha PF-Michael Beasley C- Tyson Chandler Obviously landing Chandler wouldn't be as good as landing an Amare, Yao, Lebron, Wade, Bosh...but Chandler is a very good fit for this team. I know it would make Bulls fans a bit uneasy to sign a defensive only big man after the Wallace fiasco...but Chandler is only going to be 28....and this one is 7'1". Like I said, it wouldn't be overwhelming like the Bulls if they signed Lebron...but that is a solid championship caliber core. There is a good mix of offense and defensive talent on that team to compete for a championship. You wouldn't be an overwhelming favorite (like with the Lebron scenario), but still a damn good team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 17 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't get it. Lebron can play point guard? I never knew that</div> It's not preferable for him to guard point guards as it would be a waste of energy chasing 6 foot guys around. But he is capable of being the primary playmaker and creating plays for teammates. Similar to what Kobe often does in the 4th Q, Fisher juts acts as a perimeter threat to space the floor and Kobe becomes the playmaker.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 17 2008, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is just showing that the Bulls can easily create the capspace to sign a great player like Lebron.</div> No, the math is wrong </div> How? Gordon *10 million+Deng*10 million+Beasley+Noah = 27.7 million. Thomas with a 14.1 cap hold, Thabo with an 8.1 cap hold. Add those together, and you get approximately 13.1 million in capspace, adjust to incorporate the roster charges, and you have 10.7 million in capspace. If you resign Thomas quick, for starting at say 9.5 million, you have 15.3 million in capspace. Resign Thabo, for say starting at 5 million, you have 18.4 million in capspace. Where is the math wrong in there?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The bulls will make some cap space. By letting Gordon walk.</div> Sounds harsh Denny... Though I could see it happening.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jun 17 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jun 17 2008, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The bulls will make some cap space. By letting Gordon walk.</div> Sounds harsh Denny... Though I could see it happening. </div> A lot of newspaper articles say Reinsdorf has told Pax he can sign Deng, but not Gordon. Both Deng and Gordon either turned down or want deals bigger than $11M/season. It really blows because Deng is... maybe 15th best SF in the league. Gordon, at least, is top 5 as sixth man. I don't think it's wise to spend $20M+ on two players who aren't top 15 in the whole league and you're anally retentive about not going into the Luxury Tax.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jun 17 2008, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 09:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It is just showing that the Bulls can easily create the capspace to sign a great player like Lebron.</div> No, the math is wrong </div> How? Gordon *10 million+Deng*10 million+Beasley+Noah = 27.7 million. Thomas with a 14.1 cap hold, Thabo with an 8.1 cap hold. Add those together, and you get approximately 13.1 million in capspace, adjust to incorporate the roster charges, and you have 10.7 million in capspace. If you resign Thomas quick, for starting at say 9.5 million, you have 15.3 million in capspace. Resign Thabo, for say starting at 5 million, you have 18.4 million in capspace. Where is the math wrong in there? </div> You are completely missing holds for other roster spots. You are only listing 6 players and even if the first round picks in 2009 and 2010 are traded away, you have to account for those other 6 roster spots with at least minimum contracts. So that is 473,604 * 6 = 2,841,624. Additionally, the #1 pick will get 120% of the scale amount = 5,546,160 So you are almost 4 million off after renoucing all free agents and giving away two first round picks
Your math is off. Gordon/Deng would be making 10 million each that year based on my assumption. (I think a little less assuming they are on 10 million on average over 6 year contracts...but 10 million is a simple number to work with here). Joakim Noah is due 3.1 million. The 3rd year on the rookie scale for this year's draft pick at #1 will be 4.6 million. http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-rookie-salary-scale-2008/101 So add all that up, and you get 27.7 million. Then you have the Tyrus and Thabo free agent amounts, of 14.1 million and 8.1 million (300% of their last year contract as they are Larry Bird off of 4th year of rookie scale contract). Add that all up and you are at 49.9 million. Then you have to take into account roster charges for 6 players. The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary. That is .473 million as you said. (I had .398 in my calc for some reason which was last season...not the 2010 number). So add on another 2.8 million. That is 52.7 million...with an expected salary cap around 63 million, that would leave us with 10.3 million in capspace. That is $400k in differences, not the 4 million you say. Then if you say have Thomas agree to an extension the summer before he is a free agent, starting at 9.5 million, you have 14.9 million in capspace. All my numbers in the post you quoted are 400k off. (from using the wrong rookie minimum).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 08:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tyson Chandler is also a free agent that year if he opts out. He would be ideal next to Beasley.</div> Why in God's name would he ever return to the Bulls. You can't give me one good reason unless the Bulls thew 90 million at him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne @ Jun 17 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The 3rd year on the rookie scale for this year's draft pick at #1 will be 4.6 million. http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-rookie-salary-scale-2008/101</div> That site is listing the scale amount. Rookie contracts can be between 80% and 120% of scale. The #1 pick (and most picks for that matter) get 120% of scale.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#41 A team may sign a player for as little as 80% or as much as 120% of the scale salary figure. For example, the 1st year salary for the #1 overall pick drafted in 2005 can be as little as $2,893,680 or as much as $4,340,520. In most cases, the contract that is actually signed is for the maximum 120% figure. Teams are able to provide this amount using the Rookie exception, even if they are over the salary cap. Annual raises are limited to 8%, and also can't exceed 120% of the scale amount for that season.
FWIW, The official S2 salaries tables have the 1st round picks getting 100% of scale. Compare Oden's or Noah's salary with the chart here: http://www.nbpa.org/cba_exhibits/exhibitB.php
