<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ May 12 2008, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Melo is a great player, but he's certainly one dimensional and a little over-rated. He's an unbelievably gifted scorer and an adequate rebounder. The first time I ever saw him play he reminded me of a more athletic, better Glenn Robinson, and IMHO, that's exactly what he is. He's an excellent midrange shooter with terrific post skills. He's not a top tier superstar like James, Wade, or Bryant, but the Nets would easily become one of the best teams in the East if they were somehow able to acquire him.</div> Unless we're getting an All-Star big man, this team is never going to be a championship contender. I agree Melo is a great player, but there just aren't enough basketballs for him, Carter and Harris. I just don't buy that a loaded backcourt can win you a title. You could give me the Nets roster with Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Manu Ginobli, in place of Harris, Carter and RJ and I still don't think they would be a title contender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ May 12 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You could give me the Nets roster with Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Manu Ginobli, in place of Harris, Carter and RJ and I still don't think they would be a title contender.</div> They would be a title contender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 11 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 11 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 11 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want to know all of you calling him overrated, based on being on the Nuggets. Is he overrated when he plays for TEAM USA? Is it the player or is it the team (Nuggets)?</div> Why not? He didn't do anything different on team USA. Boohoo. He can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. He still got exploited defensively and team USA gave up threes like no tomorrow. The big difference between Team USA and The Nuggets is that on Team USA he has 4 other superstars who can cover up a lot of his defensive short comings, rebound and distribute the ball for easy baskets. </div> How was Melo averaging 21.2 ppg on 61.3% shooting for TEAM USA? Man, the international players must be REALLY short and unathletic. </div> For one, he played with 4 players who can all pass the ball. Two, do you have another explanation of why he shoots 60% in int'l and 45% in NBA? Pretty much the only thing that's different (besides the 3 pt line) is the quality of the opposition. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would figure that about 90% of the players in the NBA can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. Why doesn't TEAM USA put one of those guys who can play better defense on the team, they OBVIOUSLY would be better than Melo, right?</div> They did. Since the failure of the original James/Anthony/Wade teams on the International stage, they added quite a few well rounded players. And even the players who are not known to be scorers shot a high %. Check this out: 15 Anthony, Carmelo... 9-9 175 19.4 65-106 .613 26-45 .578 35-49 .714 10 37 47 5.2 15 0 13 4 3 6 191 21.2 06 James, LeBron...... 10-10 222 22.2 73-96 .760 23-37 .622 12-18 .667 8 28 36 3.6 12 0 47 17 5 15 181 18.1 10 Bryant, Kobe....... 10-10 199 19.9 51-93 .548 17-37 .459 34-39 .872 7 13 20 2.0 25 0 29 18 4 16 153 15.3 08 Redd, Michael...... 10-1 199 19.9 53-100 .530 29-64 .453 9-9 1.000 3 11 14 1.4 7 0 15 6 0 9 144 14.4 12 Stoudemire, Amare.. 10-1 177 17.7 37-55 .673 2-3 .667 35-49 .714 18 29 47 4.7 26 0 7 9 6 11 111 11.1 11 Howard, Dwight..... 10-9 165 16.5 35-43 .814 0-0 .000 30-45 .667 13 40 53 5.3 18 0 2 9 18 6 100 10.0 13 Miller, Mike....... 10-0 156 15.6 29-66 .439 19-50 .380 2-3 .667 1 20 21 2.1 15 1 9 8 2 7 79 7.9 09 Prince, Tayshaun... 9-0 160 17.8 26-54 .481 10-28 .357 4-9 .444 6 40 46 5.1 6 0 19 6 3 5 66 7.3 04 Billups, Chauncey.. 10-1 160 16.0 17-45 .378 11-31 .355 11-11 1.000 1 17 18 1.8 10 0 26 8 0 8 56 5.6 07 Williams, Deron.... 10-0 143 14.3 19-31 .613 5-10 .500 4-8 .500 3 7 10 1.0 15 0 46 10 0 4 47 4.7 14 Chandler, Tyson.... 10-0 86 8.6 9-16 .563 0-0 .000 3-8 .375 11 25 36 3.6 7 0 0 4 14 2 21 2.1 05 Kidd, Jason........ 10-9 158 15.8 6-10 .600 5-8 .625 1-2 .500 6 27 33 3.3 16 0 46 5 5 13 18 1.8 When Jason Kidd shoots 60%, there must be something horribly wrong in the world <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Blaming Melo for team defense has no validity, either.</div> WHY? The biggest knock on Melo is that his defense is horrible. He misses rotations, barely makes an effort and generally just doesn't care about defense. Him and Camby are the reason the Nuggets suck so bad on defense. Anthony just doesn't care and Camby chases weak-side blocks instead of guarding the post. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You make it sound like most other players in the NBA can score like Melo. He's a 24 year old who has averaged over 20 ppg every year of his 5 year career, and averaged over 25ppg his last 3 years in the league, while shooting over 46% for his career. Well, I guess ANYONE can do that by shooting over shorter, less athletic players.</div>I never said that. I said he's one dimensional, meaning he's a good scorer. An adequate rebounder at best and a horrible defender. The argument isn't his scoring. The argument is that when he's on the floor, the opposite teams score MORE than the Nuggets do. I posted a link above. By the way, I said "shorter and less athletic" when talking about international competition, not NBA. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Would you take Michael Redd over Melo?</div> Well, for one, that's just a bad comparison. I'm arguing about defense while you're making me choose between 2 bad defenders Michael Redd is a shooter. Anthony is a scorer. For one season, I'd take whoever my team needs more (for NJ, Redd). For a career, I'd take Anthony because obviously he's younger and has a higher trade value. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And only one player on that team averaged a double-double in that season. Guess who? That one-dimensional player you (Astral) were talking about.</div>After averaging a double double in college, he came into NBA and averaged 6.1 rebounds per game in 36 mpg on a team with relatively fast pace. I think that says more about college competition than Carmelo Anthony. Look, my basic point is that he's not close to being an elite player. If we get him on the Nets with Carter here, you're guaranteeing yourself a second round exit. Because while him and Carter will fight over who gets the ball, some no-name small forward on the other team will be lighting us up. Anthony needs 4 good defenders, one of whom is a REALLY good/smart post defender (imagine Jason Collins meets Deke) to be a championship contender.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ May 12 2008, 05:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ May 12 2008, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Melo is a great player, but he's certainly one dimensional and a little over-rated. He's an unbelievably gifted scorer and an adequate rebounder. The first time I ever saw him play he reminded me of a more athletic, better Glenn Robinson, and IMHO, that's exactly what he is. He's an excellent midrange shooter with terrific post skills. He's not a top tier superstar like James, Wade, or Bryant, but the Nets would easily become one of the best teams in the East if they were somehow able to acquire him.</div> Unless we're getting an All-Star big man, this team is never going to be a championship contender. I agree Melo is a great player, but there just aren't enough basketballs for him, Carter and Harris. I just don't buy that a loaded backcourt can win you a title. You could give me the Nets roster with Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Manu Ginobli, in place of Harris, Carter and RJ and I still don't think they would be a title contender. </div> Dude, you can realistically max three players on your team. Are you saying it's not wise for one of them to be Melo? The Nets are a long way from being a finished product. If there's a chance to make a major upgrade like this right away, it sure would make the rebuilding process easier.
I would rather have a solid big man than carmelo. Honestly, the team will do better, but not much difference from this year. Jefferson and Carmelo are somewhat similar, both offensive minded and shoots a lot. Although, Melo IS younger and more athletic. In addition I do not like the idea of adding another player who has off-court issues. IMO, The backcourt of DH,VC,CA wont work. Jefferson for a very good shooter, big man or a solid defender who can run the floor. If we are talking about all-star calliber players, i would say Mike Miller, Marion(Im aware that he had some issues in Phoenix tho) sounds good. It may work out better than Anthony.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 12 2008, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 11 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 11 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 11 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want to know all of you calling him overrated, based on being on the Nuggets. Is he overrated when he plays for TEAM USA? Is it the player or is it the team (Nuggets)?</div> Why not? He didn't do anything different on team USA. Boohoo. He can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. He still got exploited defensively and team USA gave up threes like no tomorrow. The big difference between Team USA and The Nuggets is that on Team USA he has 4 other superstars who can cover up a lot of his defensive short comings, rebound and distribute the ball for easy baskets. </div> How was Melo averaging 21.2 ppg on 61.3% shooting for TEAM USA? Man, the international players must be REALLY short and unathletic. </div> For one, he played with 4 players who can all pass the ball. Two, do you have another explanation of why he shoots 60% in int'l and 45% in NBA? Pretty much the only thing that's different (besides the 3 pt line) is the quality of the opposition. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would figure that about 90% of the players in the NBA can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. Why doesn't TEAM USA put one of those guys who can play better defense on the team, they OBVIOUSLY would be better than Melo, right?</div> They did. Since the failure of the original James/Anthony/Wade teams on the International stage, they added quite a few well rounded players. And even the players who are not known to be scorers shot a high %. Check this out: 15 Anthony, Carmelo... 9-9 175 19.4 65-106 .613 26-45 .578 35-49 .714 10 37 47 5.2 15 0 13 4 3 6 191 21.2 06 James, LeBron...... 10-10 222 22.2 73-96 .760 23-37 .622 12-18 .667 8 28 36 3.6 12 0 47 17 5 15 181 18.1 10 Bryant, Kobe....... 10-10 199 19.9 51-93 .548 17-37 .459 34-39 .872 7 13 20 2.0 25 0 29 18 4 16 153 15.3 08 Redd, Michael...... 10-1 199 19.9 53-100 .530 29-64 .453 9-9 1.000 3 11 14 1.4 7 0 15 6 0 9 144 14.4 12 Stoudemire, Amare.. 10-1 177 17.7 37-55 .673 2-3 .667 35-49 .714 18 29 47 4.7 26 0 7 9 6 11 111 11.1 11 Howard, Dwight..... 10-9 165 16.5 35-43 .814 0-0 .000 30-45 .667 13 40 53 5.3 18 0 2 9 18 6 100 10.0 13 Miller, Mike....... 10-0 156 15.6 29-66 .439 19-50 .380 2-3 .667 1 20 21 2.1 15 1 9 8 2 7 79 7.9 09 Prince, Tayshaun... 9-0 160 17.8 26-54 .481 10-28 .357 4-9 .444 6 40 46 5.1 6 0 19 6 3 5 66 7.3 04 Billups, Chauncey.. 10-1 160 16.0 17-45 .378 11-31 .355 11-11 1.000 1 17 18 1.8 10 0 26 8 0 8 56 5.6 07 Williams, Deron.... 10-0 143 14.3 19-31 .613 5-10 .500 4-8 .500 3 7 10 1.0 15 0 46 10 0 4 47 4.7 14 Chandler, Tyson.... 10-0 86 8.6 9-16 .563 0-0 .000 3-8 .375 11 25 36 3.6 7 0 0 4 14 2 21 2.1 05 Kidd, Jason........ 10-9 158 15.8 6-10 .600 5-8 .625 1-2 .500 6 27 33 3.3 16 0 46 5 5 13 18 1.8 When Jason Kidd shoots 60%, there must be something horribly wrong in the world <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Blaming Melo for team defense has no validity, either.</div> WHY? The biggest knock on Melo is that his defense is horrible. He misses rotations, barely makes an effort and generally just doesn't care about defense. Him and Camby are the reason the Nuggets suck so bad on defense. Anthony just doesn't care and Camby chases weak-side blocks instead of guarding the post. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You make it sound like most other players in the NBA can score like Melo. He's a 24 year old who has averaged over 20 ppg every year of his 5 year career, and averaged over 25ppg his last 3 years in the league, while shooting over 46% for his career. Well, I guess ANYONE can do that by shooting over shorter, less athletic players.</div>I never said that. I said he's one dimensional, meaning he's a good scorer. An adequate rebounder at best and a horrible defender. The argument isn't his scoring. The argument is that when he's on the floor, the opposite teams score MORE than the Nuggets do. I posted a link above. By the way, I said "shorter and less athletic" when talking about international competition, not NBA. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Would you take Michael Redd over Melo?</div> Well, for one, that's just a bad comparison. I'm arguing about defense while you're making me choose between 2 bad defenders Michael Redd is a shooter. Anthony is a scorer. For one season, I'd take whoever my team needs more (for NJ, Redd). For a career, I'd take Anthony because obviously he's younger and has a higher trade value. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And only one player on that team averaged a double-double in that season. Guess who? That one-dimensional player you (Astral) were talking about.</div>After averaging a double double in college, he came into NBA and averaged 6.1 rebounds per game in 36 mpg on a team with relatively fast pace. I think that says more about college competition than Carmelo Anthony. Look, my basic point is that he's not close to being an elite player. If we get him on the Nets with Carter here, you're guaranteeing yourself a second round exit. Because while him and Carter will fight over who gets the ball, some no-name small forward on the other team will be lighting us up. Anthony needs 4 good defenders, one of whom is a REALLY good/smart post defender (imagine Jason Collins meets Deke) to be a championship contender. </div> Wow, Chauncey Billups, Mike Miller, and Tayshaun Prince must be TERRIBLE shooters if they can't shoot over 50% against international competition. Man, they gotta be the worst shooters in the NBA! An adequate rebounder doesn't average 7.7 rebounds over a season. Your argument is pretty much downhill from there. So much so, that I don't know how to argue with you, because the points you've made make it so obvious that for some reason, you dislike Carmelo and have made it a point to find every little tiny thing wrong with him, even if it is making up stuff.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ May 12 2008, 04:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ May 12 2008, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Melo is a great player, but he's certainly one dimensional and a little over-rated. He's an unbelievably gifted scorer and an adequate rebounder. The first time I ever saw him play he reminded me of a more athletic, better Glenn Robinson, and IMHO, that's exactly what he is. He's an excellent midrange shooter with terrific post skills. He's not a top tier superstar like James, Wade, or Bryant, but the Nets would easily become one of the best teams in the East if they were somehow able to acquire him.</div> Unless we're getting an All-Star big man, this team is never going to be a championship contender. I agree Melo is a great player, but there just aren't enough basketballs for him, Carter and Harris. I just don't buy that a loaded backcourt can win you a title. You could give me the Nets roster with Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant and Manu Ginobli, in place of Harris, Carter and RJ and I still don't think they would be a title contender. </div> I agree to an extent. It's true that no team with a loaded backcourt and nothing up front will ever win a title, but the addition of Anthony would place the Nets in a significantly better position than they are in right now. The Nets need to focus on improving any way they can. They're not going to become a title contender overnight. As for there not being enough game balls for Melo, Carter, and Harris, I disagree completely. Carter is a very unselfish player who would be better suited and more comfortable as a 2nd option. Harris isn't selfish either, he's just not a very good play-maker. Anyway, they would certainly be able to share the ball.
I like the Melo idea. It's never gonna happen but he would definately improve this team. He would even give us a good source of post scoring that we are in desperate need of.
I think he would be a good fit with the nets. but I bet teams like the Clippers are after him...if not, they should be. they should have gotten AI when he was on the block.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 12 2008, 10:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 12 2008, 08:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 11 2008, 09:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 11 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 11 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I want to know all of you calling him overrated, based on being on the Nuggets. Is he overrated when he plays for TEAM USA? Is it the player or is it the team (Nuggets)?</div> Why not? He didn't do anything different on team USA. Boohoo. He can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. He still got exploited defensively and team USA gave up threes like no tomorrow. The big difference between Team USA and The Nuggets is that on Team USA he has 4 other superstars who can cover up a lot of his defensive short comings, rebound and distribute the ball for easy baskets. </div> How was Melo averaging 21.2 ppg on 61.3% shooting for TEAM USA? Man, the international players must be REALLY short and unathletic. </div> For one, he played with 4 players who can all pass the ball. Two, do you have another explanation of why he shoots 60% in int'l and 45% in NBA? Pretty much the only thing that's different (besides the 3 pt line) is the quality of the opposition. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I would figure that about 90% of the players in the NBA can shoot over shorter, less athletic people. Why doesn't TEAM USA put one of those guys who can play better defense on the team, they OBVIOUSLY would be better than Melo, right?</div> They did. Since the failure of the original James/Anthony/Wade teams on the International stage, they added quite a few well rounded players. And even the players who are not known to be scorers shot a high %. Check this out: 15 Anthony, Carmelo... 9-9 175 19.4 65-106 .613 26-45 .578 35-49 .714 10 37 47 5.2 15 0 13 4 3 6 191 21.2 06 James, LeBron...... 10-10 222 22.2 73-96 .760 23-37 .622 12-18 .667 8 28 36 3.6 12 0 47 17 5 15 181 18.1 10 Bryant, Kobe....... 10-10 199 19.9 51-93 .548 17-37 .459 34-39 .872 7 13 20 2.0 25 0 29 18 4 16 153 15.3 08 Redd, Michael...... 10-1 199 19.9 53-100 .530 29-64 .453 9-9 1.000 3 11 14 1.4 7 0 15 6 0 9 144 14.4 12 Stoudemire, Amare.. 10-1 177 17.7 37-55 .673 2-3 .667 35-49 .714 18 29 47 4.7 26 0 7 9 6 11 111 11.1 11 Howard, Dwight..... 10-9 165 16.5 35-43 .814 0-0 .000 30-45 .667 13 40 53 5.3 18 0 2 9 18 6 100 10.0 13 Miller, Mike....... 10-0 156 15.6 29-66 .439 19-50 .380 2-3 .667 1 20 21 2.1 15 1 9 8 2 7 79 7.9 09 Prince, Tayshaun... 9-0 160 17.8 26-54 .481 10-28 .357 4-9 .444 6 40 46 5.1 6 0 19 6 3 5 66 7.3 04 Billups, Chauncey.. 10-1 160 16.0 17-45 .378 11-31 .355 11-11 1.000 1 17 18 1.8 10 0 26 8 0 8 56 5.6 07 Williams, Deron.... 10-0 143 14.3 19-31 .613 5-10 .500 4-8 .500 3 7 10 1.0 15 0 46 10 0 4 47 4.7 14 Chandler, Tyson.... 10-0 86 8.6 9-16 .563 0-0 .000 3-8 .375 11 25 36 3.6 7 0 0 4 14 2 21 2.1 05 Kidd, Jason........ 10-9 158 15.8 6-10 .600 5-8 .625 1-2 .500 6 27 33 3.3 16 0 46 5 5 13 18 1.8 When Jason Kidd shoots 60%, there must be something horribly wrong in the world <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Blaming Melo for team defense has no validity, either.</div> WHY? The biggest knock on Melo is that his defense is horrible. He misses rotations, barely makes an effort and generally just doesn't care about defense. Him and Camby are the reason the Nuggets suck so bad on defense. Anthony just doesn't care and Camby chases weak-side blocks instead of guarding the post. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You make it sound like most other players in the NBA can score like Melo. He's a 24 year old who has averaged over 20 ppg every year of his 5 year career, and averaged over 25ppg his last 3 years in the league, while shooting over 46% for his career. Well, I guess ANYONE can do that by shooting over shorter, less athletic players.</div>I never said that. I said he's one dimensional, meaning he's a good scorer. An adequate rebounder at best and a horrible defender. The argument isn't his scoring. The argument is that when he's on the floor, the opposite teams score MORE than the Nuggets do. I posted a link above. By the way, I said "shorter and less athletic" when talking about international competition, not NBA. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Would you take Michael Redd over Melo?</div> Well, for one, that's just a bad comparison. I'm arguing about defense while you're making me choose between 2 bad defenders Michael Redd is a shooter. Anthony is a scorer. For one season, I'd take whoever my team needs more (for NJ, Redd). For a career, I'd take Anthony because obviously he's younger and has a higher trade value. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And only one player on that team averaged a double-double in that season. Guess who? That one-dimensional player you (Astral) were talking about.</div>After averaging a double double in college, he came into NBA and averaged 6.1 rebounds per game in 36 mpg on a team with relatively fast pace. I think that says more about college competition than Carmelo Anthony. Look, my basic point is that he's not close to being an elite player. If we get him on the Nets with Carter here, you're guaranteeing yourself a second round exit. Because while him and Carter will fight over who gets the ball, some no-name small forward on the other team will be lighting us up. Anthony needs 4 good defenders, one of whom is a REALLY good/smart post defender (imagine Jason Collins meets Deke) to be a championship contender. </div> Wow, Chauncey Billups, Mike Miller, and Tayshaun Prince must be TERRIBLE shooters if they can't shoot over 50% against international competition. Man, they gotta be the worst shooters in the NBA! </div> Billups often goes through stages when he just shoots horribly. In fact, that's one of the primary reasons why Detroit lost in the playoffs in the last 3 years. When his shot leaves him, Detroit goes down in flames as well. Miller shot a LOT of threes. Fifty out of 66 attempts he took were from 3 pt range. He started out int'l competition shooting superbly, then it tailed off considerably. Maybe he got injured? In any case, 38% from three isn't exactly bad. Prince is a career 46% shooter, shooting 44% this season. He shot 48% in international competition, which means better than what he usually does. I have no idea where you're getting your 50% obsession from. It's not a magic number. You came up with 2 players out of 12 who arguably shot "poorly". I don't think that's the way it works. You use majority to prove a point, not a tentative minority. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>An adequate rebounder doesn't average 7.7 rebounds over a season.</div> For a small forward, that's about average. Anthony averaged 7.4 this season (where'd you get 7.7?), which is an anomaly, considering he has a career average of 6.0 rebounds per game. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Your argument is pretty much downhill from there. So much so, that I don't know how to argue with you, because the points you've made make it so obvious that for some reason, you dislike Carmelo and have made it a point to find every little tiny thing wrong with him, even if it is making up stuff.</div> I've posted stats and data to back up my point. 82 games shows that he's at +/- of -3.0. NBA career stats show that Anthony is a career 6.0 rpg man. USA basketball stats show that the dominant majority shot very well, or at least better than in NBA, in the international competition. Do you mind showing me where I'm making up stuff? I understand that you're a Syracuse fan, but that's no reason to resort to personal attacks. You like Anthony because he almost single handedly led Syracuse to NCAA championship. I don't like Anthony because he's ultra overrated, is a horrible defender, and also because of that retarded sucker punch he threw. Don't remember which one? http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2006/12/17/...uns-like-a-girl How dumb is he, honestly? The fight is pretty much settled down, then he throws a punch and backs up like a scared little girl. What a dumbass AND a pussy.
Last year's rebounding numbers for Forwards: Lamar Odom - 10.6 RPG (Combo Forward) Shawn Marion & Antawn Jamison - 10.2 RPG (Combo Forwards) Josh Smith - 8.2 RPG (Combo Forward) Lebron James - 7.9 RPG Carmelo Anthony - 7.4 RPG Josh Howard - 7.0 RPG So Melo was 6th in that group out of guys you can consider Small forwards, and the top 4 are combo forwards (with only Josh Smith being more of a SF). Then you have Lebron, and then Melo. So how is that "average"?
"one dimensional" "adequate rebounder" "can't play defense" Blah blah blah. Obviously you've never seen him or the Nuggets play, and are only basing that off stats...because that doesn't even sound right. (You're doing it wrong) Besides, since when are Allen Iverson and Anthony Carter good defenders? And since when isn't Marcus Camby a good defender?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 12 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"one dimensional" "adequate rebounder" "can't play defense" Blah blah blah. Obviously you've never seen him or the Nuggets play, and are only basing that off stats...because that doesn't even sound right. (You're doing it wrong) Besides, since when are Allen Iverson and Anthony Carter good defenders? And since when isn't Marcus Camby a good defender?</div> That -3.0 +/- rating that Astral linked to does look pretty bad though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 12 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Last year's rebounding numbers for Forwards: Lamar Odom - 10.6 RPG (Combo Forward) Shawn Marion & Antawn Jamison - 10.2 RPG (Combo Forwards) Josh Smith - 8.2 RPG (Combo Forward) Lebron James - 7.9 RPG Carmelo Anthony - 7.4 RPG Josh Howard - 7.0 RPG So Melo was 6th in that group out of guys you can consider Small forwards, and the top 4 are combo forwards (with only Josh Smith being more of a SF). Then you have Lebron, and then Melo. So how is that "average"?</div> You are correct - strictly on RPG ratings. However, using a more advanced rebounding statistic which factors in rebounding chances etc, Anthony's not nearly as high up. (http://www.82games.com/RESORT16.HTM) Anthony has a rebounding rating of 19.7, below Josh Howard, Al Harrington, Ryan Gomes, Yi, Mikki Moore, Brandon Bass, Jamario Moon and countless others who aren't considered great rebounders. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"one dimensional" "adequate rebounder" "can't play defense" Blah blah blah. Obviously you've never seen him or the Nuggets play, and are only basing that off stats...because that doesn't even sound right. (You're doing it wrong) Besides, since when are Allen Iverson and Anthony Carter good defenders? And since when isn't Marcus Camby a good defender?</div> What happened to you man? You used to be cool and logical. Now you're just stressed and negative in every post. What doesn't sound right? That Anthony is an Adequate rebounder at best? I've posted stats. That Anthony is a horrible defender? I can give you countless of others who agree with the notion. For example, a 10 second search on google turned up: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3...in_the_nba.html http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2008...d-al-jefferson/ He's a mediocre passer, typically averaging more turnovers than assists (which is relatively normal for league wide SFs though). People treat him as a superstar. I compare him to superstars. Yeah, compared to an "average" NBA small forward Anthony isn't that bad. But that's jut not fair. When you're a superstar, you're gonna get measured in the superstar class. In that class, he's one dimensional.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 12 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"one dimensional" "adequate rebounder" "can't play defense" Blah blah blah. Obviously you've never seen him or the Nuggets play, and are only basing that off stats...because that doesn't even sound right. (You're doing it wrong) Besides, since when are Allen Iverson and Anthony Carter good defenders? And since when isn't Marcus Camby a good defender?</div> What happened to you man? You used to be cool and logical. Now you're just stressed and negative in every post. What doesn't sound right? That Anthony is an Adequate rebounder at best? I've posted stats. That Anthony is a horrible defender? I can give you countless of others who agree with the notion. For example, a 10 second search on google turned up: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/3...in_the_nba.html http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2008...d-al-jefferson/ He's a mediocre passer, typically averaging more turnovers than assists (which is relatively normal for league wide SFs though). People treat him as a superstar. I compare him to superstars. Yeah, compared to an "average" NBA small forward Anthony isn't that bad. But that's jut not fair. When you're a superstar, you're gonna get measured in the superstar class. In that class, he's one dimensional. </div> I've got better things to do than to argue with someone about a player they probably barely know anything about
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 12 2008, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ May 12 2008, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Last year's rebounding numbers for Forwards: Lamar Odom - 10.6 RPG (Combo Forward) Shawn Marion & Antawn Jamison - 10.2 RPG (Combo Forwards) Josh Smith - 8.2 RPG (Combo Forward) Lebron James - 7.9 RPG Carmelo Anthony - 7.4 RPG Josh Howard - 7.0 RPG So Melo was 6th in that group out of guys you can consider Small forwards, and the top 4 are combo forwards (with only Josh Smith being more of a SF). Then you have Lebron, and then Melo. So how is that "average"?</div> You are correct - strictly on RPG ratings. However, using a more advanced rebounding statistic which factors in rebounding chances etc, Anthony's not nearly as high up. (http://www.82games.com/RESORT16.HTM) Anthony has a rebounding rating of 19.7, below Josh Howard, Al Harrington, Ryan Gomes, Yi, Mikki Moore, Brandon Bass, Jamario Moon and countless others who aren't considered great rebounders. </div> None of those players has Marcus Camby literally fighting him for rebounds. Camby knocks players on his team out of the way to inflate his own rebounding numbers. Additionally, Melo was instructed for a significant portion of the season to leak out for fast breaks instead of fighting for rebounds. His rebounding numbers skyrocketed when his focus was changed. If you watched Melo play instead of just reviewing the stats, you'd know he is a much better rebounder than you are portraying him as.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kdub @ May 12 2008, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ May 12 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"one dimensional" "adequate rebounder" "can't play defense" Blah blah blah. Obviously you've never seen him or the Nuggets play, and are only basing that off stats...because that doesn't even sound right. (You're doing it wrong) Besides, since when are Allen Iverson and Anthony Carter good defenders? And since when isn't Marcus Camby a good defender?</div> That -3.0 +/- rating that Astral linked to does look pretty bad though. </div> It also makes JR Smith look like a good defender. Don't believe everything you read.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ May 12 2008, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>People treat him as a superstar. I compare him to superstars. Yeah, compared to an "average" NBA small forward Anthony isn't that bad. But that's jut not fair. When you're a superstar, you're gonna get measured in the superstar class. In that class, he's one dimensional.</div> He sucks because he's too good?
