<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, it isn't clear that they hate Vince. Liking to boo someone isn't the same as hating him. Additionally, you've had Raptors fans come into this thread and state that they don't hate him.</div> Wow... They boo him not just because they think it's fun, but also because they hate him. I mean even the Raptor announcers acknowledge the "disdain" Carter receives from the fans. There is probably worse stuff said from the fans that doesn't get picked during the game feed. <div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/nTl4XP5EsVk&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/nTl4XP5EsVk&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div> And its funny you're willing to point to a few Raptor fans posting in this thread but willing to brush aside the thousands of Raptor fans who attend the games and the Raptor fans who post on probably the biggest Raptors message board on the net.
Have you ever been to a game NOMOM? Serious question. Because I've chanted all sorts of the things at games. I started a Rick Pitino sucks chant when Louisville came to our place. And Pitino is one of my favorite coaches. People say all sorts of things when their team is playing. Edit: Actually, it was a Fuck Pitino chant.
I have friends who chanted "Fuck Madison"/"Madison sucks" during the Madison game....despite them being fans of Madison for football and basketball (when they aren't playing us)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jul 19 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, we should boo Jason Kidd then?</div> Nope. I think with the trade demand, he actually helped our team more than he hurt it.
I agree very much pegs. But I was just curious of Shake's thoughts based on how he felt Toronto fans treat VC because of how he left. We all know the drama Kidd had with him this season..."best team I played on...headache...no light at the end of the tunnel...I want to go to Dallas and nowhere else"
Quoting my original post and then pointing to the way Raptors act towards VC during games just shows that you're missing the point, IMO. Both cpaw and I have tried to argue that Carter is relatively insignificant to the large majority of NBA followers and, as a result, its stupid to think that there's some sort of anti-Carter movement out there. We're talking about people who have no affiliation to Carter. That's why I disagreed with the person that pointed to this forum's activity and VC's fanboys. And that's why pointing to Raptors fans makes no sense. Both groups have are affiliated with Carter and are not nearly objective enough to demonstrate the normal attitude towards Vince Carter. Raptors fans may be linked to him in a fundamentally different way, but they still are. Citing their actions doesn't do anything to disprove the ambivalence that most mainstream media and general NBA fans have towards Vince. I initially responded to the videos of and references to Raptors fans because I thought it was stupid how posters were pointing to a playoff series 2 years ago to generalize about our sentiments now (and I still do). But it was a separate point that I probably should've ignored, in hindsight, because it led you to go out on a tangent and completely miss the point of my original post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yinets1860 @ Jul 19 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why Carter as the anti-Jordan,did they have any contradiction ? Is somebody know the reason ??</div> It was just the name of the article, keep your pants on. It's just saying that he is anti-Jordan. So, he is a good player, but he never won anything other than a gold medal. But he's casing fun at least.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 19 2008, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (yinets1860 @ Jul 19 2008, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why Carter as the anti-Jordan,did they have any contradiction ? Is somebody know the reason ??</div> It was just the name of the article, keep your pants on. It's just saying that he is anti-Jordan. So, he is a good player, but he never won anything other than a gold medal. But he's casing fun at least. </div> oh,i know,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 19 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No, it isn't clear that they hate Vince. Liking to boo someone isn't the same as hating him. Additionally, you've had Raptors fans come into this thread and state that they don't hate him.</div> Wow... They boo him not just because they think it's fun, but also because they hate him. I mean even the Raptor announcers acknowledge the "disdain" Carter receives from the fans. There is probably worse stuff said from the fans that doesn't get picked during the game feed. And its funny you're willing to point to a few Raptor fans posting in this thread but willing to brush aside the thousands of Raptor fans who attend the games and the Raptor fans who post on probably the biggest Raptors message board on the net. </div> I don't care if it is a billion people. It is still realBM and carries zero weight with me. Cursing at players is not the same as hating them. However, the real problem is what your definition of hate includes. To you anyone that doesn't love Vince, hates him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't care if it is a billion people. It is still realBM and carries zero weight with me. Cursing at players is not the same as hating them. However, the real problem is what your definition of hate includes. To you anyone that doesn't love Vince, hates him.</div> Cursing at a player could also be a pretty good indication of a dislike and hate for a player. But anyways, how about a video of Raptor fans celebrating burning a Carter jersey and saying they dislike him for you? <div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/63PupM7vOys&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/63PupM7vOys&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div> I don't know if I should waste my time going back to past games between the Nets-Raptors and post video of pregame comments from Raptor fans at the game. My hard drive crashed and I lost some of them anyways, but considering how thick in the head you are it probably wouldn't be worth the effort.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rimsh @ Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>comment 86 had some pretty good points though</div> I second that, comment 86 had some great and well thought-out points. Anyone who can argue against those points has gotta be a 100% Vince hater.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't care if it is a billion people. It is still realBM and carries zero weight with me. Cursing at players is not the same as hating them. However, the real problem is what your definition of hate includes. To you anyone that doesn't love Vince, hates him.</div> Cursing at a player could also be a pretty good indication of a dislike and hate for a player. But anyways, how about a video of Raptor fans celebrating burning a Carter jersey and saying they dislike him for you? I don't know if I should waste my time going back to past games between the Nets-Raptors and post video of pregame comments from Raptor fans at the game. My hard drive crashed and I lost some of them anyways, but considering how thick in the head you are it probably wouldn't be worth the effort. </div> When you stop living in the past, it will be possible to have a productive conversation with you. You clearly have no understanding of the situational and mob mentalities that sporting events create.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 20 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rimsh @ Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>comment 86 had some pretty good points though</div> I second that, comment 86 had some great and well thought-out points. Anyone who can argue against those points has gotta be a 100% Vince hater. </div> That is because it was a very poorly written article and doesn't do a good job of proving the thesis. It was like your average message board post.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 11:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When you stop living in the past, it will be possible to have a productive conversation with you. You clearly have no understanding of the situational and mob mentalities that sporting events create.</div> Whatever...
It's hard to look on this issue for me, since Vince is on our team. It's difficult for me to try and see the "other side" of the argument. However I found something similar with Alonzo Mourning. Now this only pertains to me (that I know of), but I rarely think about Mourning, and as far as I'm concerned that chapter of our franchise is closed. That doesn't stop me from screaming "MY KIDNEY, MY KIDNEY" when I go to Nets-Heat games.
