<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 20 2008, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But, how does it benefit the team if Carter has an excuse to be lazy? What I'm understand is none of you mind how he plays, cause you know you have a bad team with young guys, who are sub-par. The dude can play, but it seems like he chooses not to.</div> What evidence do you have that he is being lazy? Vince can put up stats and he did put up stats after Kidd was traded
If Vince is on the downfall, explain the second half of the season. After the all star break, and when Kidd got traded, VC played great. He played team basketball, gave effort, and made himself the leader while playing on a fucked up ankle.
Yes but where was this consistent effort the first half of the season? It is true that he had a bum ankle, but how many times did he stand in the corner and not move, thereby taking himself out of the play? Vince will always be Vince. If his effort and commitment were always there 100%, we wouldn't be constantly having this discussion ad nauseum. Conversely, to say that he is no longer a threat, irrelevant, lazy, blah blah etc is simply absurd. I'd love Vince to be considered irrelevant in the eyes of Coaches and NBA players everywhere. Then this team won't have as much trouble putting up points on the board as originally forecast.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jul 19 2008, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 20 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rimsh @ Jul 20 2008, 12:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>comment 86 had some pretty good points though</div> I second that, comment 86 had some great and well thought-out points. Anyone who can argue against those points has gotta be a 100% Vince hater. </div> That is because it was a very poorly written article and doesn't do a good job of proving the thesis. It was like your average message board post. </div> As are the MANY articles written about VC, that poorly depict him as a player, although some things are true, but people need to start backing up their thoughts and supposed facts with hard evidence.
Yea wtever, as if JO decided to play for indiana even when the doctors said he could play. I'll bet Carter dunks on JO before JO could block any one of his shots. JO JO JO, my ass. dude cant average double digit rebounds despite being paid like shit. Carter is getting paid 30th in the league this year and still can ball even with a fucked ankle. Not like your guy Jermaine O'isuck who earns like top 10 money and cant even play a decent ball game. JO sucks JO sucks. <- oh wait, i'm not one of those "cant forget what carter did.. Must chant and argue that I dont like chanting" raptor fan...... VC aint a winner, I agree. VC aint got Kobe's killer instinct, I agree. VC is a lazy bum, uh!? why'd he even care to go to the summer league!?.... KG, Ray Allen, Pierce, didnt win shit before they were playing together.
a lot of good nba players are not winners. tmac is not a winner. ray allen, garnett AND pierce were not winners until this year. elton brand is not a winner. but if you watch vince on a nightly basis and follow him, you would see that he really does care and is a nice genuine guy, and its sad to see how much flack he gets. but that is why people bag on him...cause hes too nice on the court. but what can you do...just enjoy vince for who he is and hope that he gets a chance to win a ring.
Most of the things Carter was accused of back in Toronto he has worked on and has fixed completely. 1) Carter fakes injuries and is a soft player physically: Carter has been incredible while on NJ. He missed 9 games in 4 years. 2) Carter shies away from clutch situations: Absolutely false. Carter may have taken more clutch shots within the last 3 years than anyone in the league. No, he did not make most of them, and most people don't. You can't blame Carter if his coach designs a play that calls for an ISO at the end of the game. 3) Carter is selfish: he has been a role model off the court. From watching summer league games, to having dinners with teammates, to taking a pretty big pay cut to help NJ. His main "problems" are thus: 1) He's genuinely too nice: it makes him a poor player in some situation, but it also makes him a better human being. 2) He complains. A lot: one of his worst flaws is that sometimes he acts up like a little girl. If only he worked on this one. 3) He doesn't play as hard, and doesn't slash as hard as he can: While I agree it's very annoying to watch this sometimes, I can understand. He's in his 30s, and has been a big time jumper for 2 decades now. No matter what he shows, his knees have a lot of miles on them, and because he jumps higher than usual in regular situations, the impact is much greater as well. If I was in his place I would not want to risk having severe leg problems for the next 40 years of my life either. If people stopped seeing him as what he could be they would gain a much greater appreciation of what he actually is instead of what he isn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake)</div><div class='quotemain'>no one on this forum gives two shits about VC</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake)</div><div class='quotemain'>I have a strong OPINION on Vince Carter.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Please, the same people who will say VC is insignificant will be the same people you will most likely taking shots at him about his status as a player in the league, on the Nets, and his history in the league. The only rationale needed is it's a negative shot against Carter. Carter insignificant? You betta ya! Carter a career loser? Oh, yeah baby!</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 20 2008, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ah, mis-quote. I meant no Raptor fans, but since we're talking about him, I gave my 2 cents.</div> No, you were including Raptor fans.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jul 19 2008, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Jul 19 2008, 05:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And would you argue that Tracy McGrady is insignificant? He also did not make an All-Star team last year. To call star players in the league insignificant, with worldwide fanbases no less (and take a look at this message board for evidence of that), is laughable at best. Especially when it comes from a Raptor fan and the star in question is Vince Carter.</div> To point to a player's/team's fanbase is pointless, because we're talking about the "haters." All I'm saying is that most people don't care enough about VC to bother hating on him at this point. He's even off Raptors fans' minds except for the four games we play the Nets, and trust me when I say that means something. </div> You sir, are in the biggest denial. If people didnt "Care" about VC, articles like these wouldnt even be typed. And btw, i live in Toronto, and believe me, people to this date talk about Vince Carter, So nice try lying to yourself by saying people dont care about VC. LOL.
for every person who claims nobody talks about vince, i know people who do talk about him. and why not? he is an nba superstar which major ties to the city of toronto.
Wow... I wasn't aware Cpaw was a Raptors fan... Kool. And Vc IS still significant to the Raptors because everytime he plays in Toronto he gets booed and raptors fan wear these really gay a$$ bibs. So if you're telling me he is not significant to them you are just blind and Noone should waste their time convincing you otherwise. Move on.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King Shake @ Jul 20 2008, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'Neal will completely shut down the Nets offense next season. And Carter, will score maybe 12 points. If he's lucky.</div> This is funny. I've totally lost respect for you. Like it matters... After reading king Shakes past few posts tell me VC isnt significant to him.. LOL this keeps getting better and better.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Jul 20 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Most of the things Carter was accused of back in Toronto he has worked on and has fixed completely. 1) Carter fakes injuries and is a soft player physically: Carter has been incredible while on NJ. He missed 9 games in 4 years. 2) Carter shies away from clutch situations: Absolutely false. Carter may have taken more clutch shots within the last 3 years than anyone in the league. No, he did not make most of them, and most people don't. You can't blame Carter if his coach designs a play that calls for an ISO at the end of the game. 3) Carter is selfish: he has been a role model off the court. From watching summer league games, to having dinners with teammates, to taking a pretty big pay cut to help NJ. His main "problems" are thus: 1) He's genuinely too nice: it makes him a poor player in some situation, but it also makes him a better human being. 2) He complains. A lot: one of his worst flaws is that sometimes he acts up like a little girl. If only he worked on this one. 3) He doesn't play as hard, and doesn't slash as hard as he can: While I agree it's very annoying to watch this sometimes, I can understand. He's in his 30s, and has been a big time jumper for 2 decades now. No matter what he shows, his knees have a lot of miles on them, and because he jumps higher than usual in regular situations, the impact is much greater as well. If I was in his place I would not want to risk having severe leg problems for the next 40 years of my life either. If people stopped seeing him as what he could be they would gain a much greater appreciation of what he actually is instead of what he isn't.</div> Every NBA player does that, even Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Paul Peirce. There are very few exceptions...although one that does come to mind is KG <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Claud @ Jul 20 2008, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow... I wasn't aware Cpaw was a Raptors fan... Kool.</div>
already 6 pages for an 'insignificant' player...lol while i do agree carter is not as significant as he was while he was dunking over 7 footers and doing 360-degree layups after a jkidd assist he is definitely not 'insignificant'. i do know fans of other teams wait for carter to do something incredible everytime the nets visit their city. vc was already very very popular in asia which is the biggest potential market for companies even BEFORE the yi signing. in every televised game who do the commentators talk about? jkidd? yeah, when he happens to get a 16-16-16 game. rj? nope. its always about vince carter. i will tell you that vince carter is still more significant than chris bosh and jo combined in the basketball world. who talks about chris bosh? lol... also, jo will shut down the nets' offense? lol... he will shut down the raptors offense with his even more atrocious shot selection compared to vc i'll tell you that...jo is a c/pf who loves to shoot from the outside even if he can dominate big people inside...at least vc has the excuse of being a wing player. now that with his injuries and age he isn't that dominating inside as well, where do you think he'll get his shots? jo has never been known as a defensive player...he can block shots but anyone who isn't stupid can tell you those are two very different things...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 20 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Every NBA player does that, even Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Paul Peirce. There are very few exceptions...although one that does come to mind is KG</div> Yeah, he just tackles people when setting screens. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 20 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How is vince overpaid? can sum1 explain that to me, plz?</div> If we were in a vacuum, Vince would be slightly underpaid (Last season, when being paid 13 mil. He'll be overpaid in the end.) However, when he became a FA, the market for him was small. We could have gotten him for less.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_War_Poet_ForLife @ Jul 21 2008, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jul 20 2008, 05:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Every NBA player does that, even Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Paul Peirce. There are very few exceptions...although one that does come to mind is KG</div> Yeah, he just tackles people when setting screens. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jul 20 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How is vince overpaid? can sum1 explain that to me, plz?</div> If we were in a vacuum, Vince would be slightly underpaid (Last season, when being paid 13 mil. He'll be overpaid in the end.) However, when he became a FA, the market for him was small. We could have gotten him for less. </div> I understand what you're sayin'. But i think dude's underpaid, i mean when u look at ninjas like ray allen, randolph, bibby, pierce, JO, etc... cakin' more than him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jul 21 2008, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>already 6 pages for an 'insignificant' player...lol while i do agree carter is not as significant as he was while he was dunking over 7 footers and doing 360-degree layups after a jkidd assist he is definitely not 'insignificant'. i do know fans of other teams wait for carter to do something incredible everytime the nets visit their city. vc was already very very popular in asia which is the biggest potential market for companies even BEFORE the yi signing. in every televised game who do the commentators talk about? jkidd? yeah, when he happens to get a 16-16-16 game. rj? nope. its always about vince carter. i will tell you that vince carter is still more significant than chris bosh and jo combined in the basketball world. who talks about chris bosh? lol... also, jo will shut down the nets' offense? lol... he will shut down the raptors offense with his even more atrocious shot selection compared to vc i'll tell you that...jo is a c/pf who loves to shoot from the outside even if he can dominate big people inside...at least vc has the excuse of being a wing player. now that with his injuries and age he isn't that dominating inside as well, where do you think he'll get his shots? jo has never been known as a defensive player...he can block shots but anyone who isn't stupid can tell you those are two very different things...</div> himself/youtube
