<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nkwu:</div><div class="quote_post">Somebody a while ago quoted scouts saying Jamison beingtraded for Carte ron draft night was a mistake citing work ethic. THey said jamison would become the better player. he is.</div>I was thinking about this a while ago..... I know everyone thinks it was a great move to trade Jamison for Carter on draft night, but was it really? If we kept Jamison, then there'd be a good possibility that T-Mac would've still wanted to be a Raptor, so we'd then have a team where we could build around both Jamison and T-Mac. Imagine what that could've been? Then again, T-Mac doesn't have the greatest of attitudes either..... but still.... I think the whole trading for Carter on draft day is a little overrated.
thers no possible way wer wouldvev kept antawn, we wanted carter all along, but gs wanted atawn so we drafted antawn and traded him for cash and carter
If I were a Raptors fan i would be pissed. Max dollars for MAX effort. I can understand needing a change of scenery, but to say that you didn't do your best for a city that embraced you and showed all the respect a professional athlete can recieve is a HUGE slap in the face. I can only hope all the idiots that keep voting him into the all-star game when he isn't even playing take this into account in the future.
By the way, whoever said Bosh would posterize Carter in the ASG - they'd be on the same team if he stays in NJ.
I never been a big fan of VC, but after reading the article about him and his injuries and him saying he has to work harder now because things were easier in the past etc. I actually believe it is genuine, i have seen a hustle in him (Nets) i have NEVER seen even in his best days.
just when you think the situation with vince cant get any worse...he goes on tv and says something this stupid....god lets hope nothing else happens that can tarnish his image even more
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Carter defended himself after pouring in 22 points during an energetic performance. "I never, ever said that I've never not given my all playing basketball," Carter said. "I've never, ever, ever come out for a basketball game and not given an effort. "I would never disrespect the game of basketball that way. I don't know where that came from, how they played it, but that was not my intention. They all know that." Clearly annoyed, he fired back at the Raptors. "I don't care who said it," Carter said. "They know better. "They know I give the effort every night. That's stupid. I'm sure when they went home at night, they knew better than what they were saying as well." </div> http://www.nypost.com/sports/nets/38004.htm Actually I was reading the whole thing about him not playing hard, and he actually never says he didn't play hard in Toronto, what he says is that he didn't push himself as hard as he should have in terms of training, working out, focus etc He never actually said or proposed that that he gave less effort than his all in a game. He said "When I first came into the league, I took things for granted, and assumed I would be this energetic and athletic forever. I should have worked harder and focused more. Once the injuries came, I realized that it would take more than just pure talent to succeed, so I've worked on that." Anyways, I guess I should've payed mroe attention, but whatever.... Tmac didn't want Vince to get all the press.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In a feature story in this week's Sports Illustrated, McGrady admitted that he was so defeated mentally by the losing that "some nights I did slack off" and also "I'm not going to sit here and say I played my hardest every night." McGrady said he did not trust his teammates on last season's team and that part of his motivation in leading the NBA in scoring was to protect his image as one of the league's elite players. </div> http://www.floridatoday.com/!NEWSROOM/spor...8MAGICNOTES.htm
maybe its tmac's altruism for his cousin 10 times removed, tmac is such a martyr, the nba's version of Che.
It must run in the family. Whatever, he's NJ's headache now. Even if he did say that he slacked off, it's not like any one of us couldn't have pointed that out years ago. His stay in T.O. has basically shown that you can't build a team around him.
Well let's be serious here, their are many many players in the NBA that don't give 100%, the only guys that give 100% every game are high energy players, like Jerome Williams etc... More than 50% of the players in the league don't give their all on and off the court, Boston fan get frustrated at Paul Pierce because many times instead of running he walked up the court, all the athletic players who are bad defenders because they don't try, guys who aren't in shape when the season starts etc etc... The only difference is that Tmac and Vince admitted to it....now if they can change from that, more power to them..
Raptors rip Carter's admission to turning it off.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Many have questioned Carter's dedication, his commitment to offseason conditioning and his desire to improve, but some where were surprised to hear Carter acknowledge it. "It's a reflection on him and his character," Raptors guard <u><font color="#00009b">Rafer Alston</font></u> said. "Is he a guy that you can go to war with night in and night out? That's what a lot of people are going to be questioning." Alston also suggested that Carter cost the Raptors games with his lack of effort. "It hurts," Alston said. "I don't know if a player who is considered an All-Star and has so many fan votes going into All-Star week wants to have that on his rap sheet.</div> ESPN Frankly I want to be done with talking about Vince but I thought this would be food for thought: To those that defend Carter and say that no one gives it 100% all the time. The stats show that he went from averaging 15.9 points a game to 22.9 points. The stats don't lie and even watching him play in Jersey is an indication of lack of effort in Toronto. I mean defending your favourite player is one thing but to totally deny the facts in front of you is another. Og15 you are the stats guy on JBB. Even you should see just by watching him play and his increase in stats that he is just playing harder in Jersey. I am done with talking about this guy. He is the past and Bosh is the future. I can't wait until we play Jersey and I most definitely getting tickets to their game in April.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MaxaMillion711:</div><div class="quote_post">pfff...haters. hes not perfect but he did so much and nobody can fault him for that. show some respect</div> haters? LOL yea...show respect for a player who addmitedly didnt give 100% to a team and a city that showed him so much love. the guy got paid almost $100 million, and didnt try hard. thats inexcusable ps. nobody is faulting vince for what he did for ball in toronto...we're faulting him for being an over-paid spoiled athlete. how can you support someone who doesnt give 100% effort when being paid the kind of money he does? its disgusting.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Well let's be serious here, their are many many players in the NBA that don't give 100%, the only guys that give 100% every game are high energy players, like Jerome Williams etc... More than 50% of the players in the league don't give their all on and off the court, Boston fan get frustrated at Paul Pierce because many times instead of running he walked up the court, all the athletic players who are bad defenders because they don't try, guys who aren't in shape when the season starts etc etc... The only difference is that Tmac and Vince admitted to it....now if they can change from that, more power to them..</div> only thing is that they were stupid enough to admit it
Yea I know, even if you do it, you don't go out and say yea in certain games I was chilling, Carter and Tmac are just naive and stupid in doing that, but they've never been guys who knew how to address the media properly, at least Vince hasn't.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">haters? LOL yea...show respect for a player who addmitedly didnt give 100% to a team and a city that showed him so much love. the guy got paid almost $100 million, and didnt try hard. thats inexcusable ps. nobody is faulting vince for what he did for ball in toronto...we're faulting him for being an over-paid spoiled athlete. how can you support someone who doesnt give 100% effort when being paid the kind of money he does? its disgusting.</div> you know what, putting VC aside for a second...it's privalege to play in the NBA...there is soooo much talent out there that NO PLAYER IN THE NBA should have the excuse of not being game ready or slacking, because there are a hugh amount of players who would grab the chance at the drop of a dime...alivin williams would amputate his left ankle to play ball, and grant hill never had to come back, but he did...all for the love of the game.... damn..isiah thomas played with fractured ankles just to get his team a win... as for VC, i won't become a hater just because of his lack of preperation comments...however players like T-MAC are spoiled punks and don't deserve to be in the NBA....
Carter is a bum in the worst way <font face="Arial">.</font><div class="quote_poster">Quoting spinz:</div><div class="quote_post">you know what, putting VC aside for a second...it's privalege to play in the NBA...there is soooo much talent out there that NO PLAYER IN THE NBA should have the excuse of not being game ready or slacking, because there are a hugh amount of players who would grab the chance at the drop of a dime...alivin williams would amputate his left ankle to play ball, and grant hill never had to come back, but he did...all for the love of the game.... damn..isiah thomas played with fractured ankles just to get his team a win... as for VC, i won't become a hater just because of his lack of preperation comments...however players like T-MAC are spoiled punks and don't deserve to be in the NBA....</div> Vince carter should be ashamed to open his mouth. Sure he can jam, but so could Spud Webb and he was only 5,6'. Given the money he was paid he had aresponsibility to give it all he had. The guy can't even be dignified enough to let the Toronto thing rest and just move on. I'm tired of over paid punks who feel entitled to play in the NBA
No use speculating <div class="quote_poster">Quoting dunksworth:</div><div class="quote_post">I was thinking about this a while ago..... I know everyone thinks it was a great move to trade Jamison for Carter on draft night, but was it really? If we kept Jamison, then there'd be a good possibility that T-Mac would've still wanted to be a Raptor, so we'd then have a team where we could build around both Jamison and T-Mac. Imagine what that could've been? Then again, T-Mac doesn't have the greatest of attitudes either..... but still.... I think the whole trading for Carter on draft day is a little overrated.</div> Toronto Management lacks basketball intelligence. We never seem to make the most of the great picks we get. Who is Arujo..whatever? T-Mac came because of Isaiah and we chased Isaiah out of town and decided that T-Mac needed to develop, so he warmed the bench. Then we get Vince and T-Mac on the same team and we still can't make it work. Now we have Bosh, kid reminds me of a young Garnett with slightly less of an upside. But at some point he'll either prove to be too fragile like "Marc..ass Can'tbe" or he'll simply perform better elsewhere. This season was over from the first game.
