Re: CB4's mock draft V.2 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 27 2007, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Hawks have a bunch of young studs, so they don't have to rush anything. They should take the better prospect, not the guy that is going to be NBA ready first. And even with Acie Law, they're still not making the playoffs next year. So what's the point?No man...Acie Law's playmaking is actually not that great for a PG...like I said earlier...Crittenton is more athletic, he's the better passer, he has more upside....Acie may be able to shoot the ball better, but he's played 4 years and Javaris is only a freshman...Acie's 3 ball wasn't even that good until this season.</div>I do agree that Crittenton has more upside, and he does have better freshmen numbers than Law did. But, Horford and Law are two of the most NBA ready players in the Draft, so adding those 2 to the combo of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith could get the Hawks to contend for a playoff spot. The Hawks have waited long enough and have sat near the bottom of the league for too long. They need to start contending now, and they have a good shot in this draft. They could use more shooters, and Law is a good one. Adding Law and Horford could really give the Hawks a good shot at a playoff spot this season in the Eastern Conference.Picking the better "prospect" over and over again instead of the better player ever year will get you no where. They've had a top pick it seems like in every draft the last 5 years. A team full of prospects won't win, which leads to other lottery picks in which they pick another good "prospect." They need to start winning some games. Take the NBA ready player, you already have enough "prospects."
Re: CB4's mock draft V.2 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 28 2007, 03:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I do agree that Crittenton has more upside, and he does have better freshmen numbers than Law did. But, Horford and Law are two of the most NBA ready players in the Draft, so adding those 2 to the combo of Joe Johnson and Josh Smith could get the Hawks to contend for a playoff spot. The Hawks have waited long enough and have sat near the bottom of the league for too long. They need to start contending now, and they have a good shot in this draft. They could use more shooters, and Law is a good one. Adding Law and Horford could really give the Hawks a good shot at a playoff spot this season in the Eastern Conference.Picking the better "prospect" over and over again instead of the better player ever year will get you no where. They've had a top pick it seems like in every draft the last 5 years. A team full of prospects won't win, which leads to other lottery picks in which they pick another good "prospect." They need to start winning some games. Take the NBA ready player, you already have enough "prospects."</div>Dude, I've been trying to explain this to you....The Hawks are in no rush to make the playoffs. It's not like they have a ton of vets that only have a few good years left...They have alot of young prospects that are still trying to find their game....so the playoffs can wait a year two if that means finding a great PG prospect that will make them a great team for years to come. And I don't see how you think they'll make the playoffs next year with Acie Law. He honestly won't make much of a difference with their team. They'd probably be the same if they drafted Crittenton, instead of Law...so what's the point if you already admitted that Javaris has more upside?That's why you're not an NBA GM. You always look for the future, not the present, when you are drafting players. It doesn't matter how long they've waited, that doesn't mean they're going to trade Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for whoever so they can just get into the playoffs for a year or two....they want to have a great future, and they're not going to draft the player who is more NBA ready over the better prospect. Yes, Acie is a good shooter....but consider this...before this year, Acie Law was not comfortable shooting college threes. Since this was his only year shooting over 38% from 3's, do you think it might take a bit longer to take that extra step or two back and adjust to the NBA 3's? It might, man...After all, hardly any rookie players are great NBA shooters right off the bat. And drafting a PG just because he can shoot is absolutely ludicrous.The better prospect is the better player man....Are you going to draft a player who'll never get much better than what he is now, or a PG with alot of talent or a big ceiling...Honesly...if you were an NBA GM, which type of player would you take? You'd have to be stupid not to take the player with the big upside...Like I said, the Hawks have a bunch of young talent...They can afford to wait a few more years if that means a period of greatness after that. A team full of top prospects a few years later will win if the talent is good enough....Once they get mature, they will get more leadership, and once they polish their games more, they will be able to win games down the stretch, and become more smart, savvy players. I think the Hawks have a great future....Maybe that means trading Marvin Williams...but I think they've got a great NBA future...
Re: CB4's mock draft V.2 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CB4AllStar @ Jun 28 2007, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dude, I've been trying to explain this to you....The Hawks are in no rush to make the playoffs. It's not like they have a ton of vets that only have a few good years left...They have alot of young prospects that are still trying to find their game....so the playoffs can wait a year two if that means finding a great PG prospect that will make them a great team for years to come. And I don't see how you think they'll make the playoffs next year with Acie Law. He honestly won't make much of a difference with their team. They'd probably be the same if they drafted Crittenton, instead of Law...so what's the point if you already admitted that Javaris has more upside?</div>Please tell me this. If the Hawks are in no rush to make the playoffs, how come there have been rumors of them trying to bring in players like Amare and KG? The Hawks have players who put up good stats and have already contributed a lot. Josh Smith did really good last year, and I look for his 16-8 numbers to improve even more. Marvin Williams is another player who has been contributing. Not to mention Joe Johnson. This team is on it's way to winning, and adding a player who lets his emotions get the best of him and can't take over a game like Crittenton, over a guy like Law who has proven he can take over a game won't help. I doubt Crittenton will be as productive as Law next season. The Hawks already have a ton of athletic players, they need some more jump shooters. And don't forget, they in the Eastern conference where 37-40 wins can contend for a playoff spot.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That's why you're not an NBA GM. You always look for the future, not the present, when you are drafting players.</div>I'm not an NBA GM because I'm frikin 17 years old. And that's not true. In a draft, you can look for the present just as much as the future, and it's not like Acie Law is 10 years older than Crittenton. Law can still improve just like Crittenton can, but he can also contribute now, which is what the Hawks need.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It doesn't matter how long they've waited, that doesn't mean they're going to trade Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for whoever so they can just get into the playoffs for a year or two....</div>They don't need to trade Smith and Williams. They are both ready to contribute now. Smith is an All-Star caliber player, along with Joe Johnson.My point is, this team isn't very far off for contending for a playoff spot. Adding Crittenton over Law will set them back a year IMO. This team is too used to losing and taking the back seat, and I'm sure fans are getting tired of it. They need to get back to winning as fast as they can.
Re: CB4's mock draft V.2 <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jun 28 2007, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Please tell me this. If the Hawks are in no rush to make the playoffs, how come there have been rumors of them trying to bring in players like Amare and KG? The Hawks have players who put up good stats and have already contributed a lot. Josh Smith did really good last year, and I look for his 16-8 numbers to improve even more. Marvin Williams is another player who has been contributing. Not to mention Joe Johnson. This team is on it's way to winning, and adding a player who lets his emotions get the best of him and can't take over a game like Crittenton, over a guy like Law who has proven he can take over a game won't help. I doubt Crittenton will be as productive as Law next season. The Hawks already have a ton of athletic players, they need some more jump shooters. And don't forget, they in the Eastern conference where 37-40 wins can contend for a playoff spot.I'm not an NBA GM because I'm frikin 17 years old. And that's not true. In a draft, you can look for the present just as much as the future, and it's not like Acie Law is 10 years older than Crittenton. Law can still improve just like Crittenton can, but he can also contribute now, which is what the Hawks need.They don't need to trade Smith and Williams. They are both ready to contribute now. Smith is an All-Star caliber player, along with Joe Johnson.My point is, this team isn't very far off for contending for a playoff spot. Adding Crittenton over Law will set them back a year IMO. This team is too used to losing and taking the back seat, and I'm sure fans are getting tired of it. They need to get back to winning as fast as they can.</div>The majority of these rumors aren't even true, and I havent heard a rumor involving KG. If we are going to win Marvin Williams will not be a part of it, he has no place here unless he wants to back up Josh Smith. How would you know that emotions get the best of him? You've never seen the guy play and you've just read. You can't read about a player to know all about his style of play, you got to watch him. Javaris Crittenton CAN SHOOT! You say we need a jump shooter kind of like Law, but Crittenton has range that extends past NBA range, plus his crafty driving ability..Crittenton will be an all-star, you mark my words. And he will be better than Acie Law when its all said and done. Acie doesn't possess the vision and passing ability that Crittenton has. Marvin Williams is no good, you look at his stats and you see "Oh he averaged 12 points a game he must have had a great season". He didn't. He played 35 minutes a game, and most of his points came off open 15 footers and dunks. He doesn't play defense, can't shoot, decent rebounder for his size, no vision, and I question his work ethic.Javaris can help us now, and I think he'd be better in an up-tempo style game with the Hawks. We have no fans here. Crittenton can be just as good now as Acie, better in the future, and he'll be one hell of a PG when its said and done..
