CBO says health care bill costs $829B over decade

We're in 2019 now with this bill.

Meanwhile, millions of Americans are out of work in 2009, and troop casualties are at an all-time high in Afghanistan, our "necessary war".

Nice priorities, Obama.

 

Sure. Like Obama would bring "Hope and Change".

Little hope, and a lot of change.

 

Voters Back Obama Over Republicans on Health Care, Poll Finds

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20091008/pl_bloomberg/aw2pami0gqru

And Denny, this article says his approval is at 50%.

 

I heard that when people are asked if they support Obama's plan, the majority say no. But when they are actually told exactly what he is proposing, but made to sound like its another plan, the majority support that plan. There is just a ton of misinformation out there.

Most people are going to disapprove of Obama's handling of healthcare, that is fine. But compared to how the other side is handling it? Those numbers are incredible, no?

 

I think people support the idea of serious health care reform, just not the current proposal or the way it's been handled. I also feel that if the lefties force a relatively unpopular plan down our throats as they propose doing, there will be hell to pay at the mid terms to the extent that he could lose the House (but a very small chance).

 

I think the calculus is that government run health care is such a game changer, the Democrats are willing to sacrifice 2010 and 2012 for decades of permanent rule and structurally shifting the entire country to the left. The minute you bring life and death to government, the discussion isn't whether or not the government should be involved, but how much they're going to give you. And that folks, is the ballgame.

I fully expect a public option and I fully expect it to be done via reconciliation. Elections have consequences, and this last one is going to have more consequences than any other in memory.

 

And that is the saddest part- if the government becomes the (eventually) health care provider, then it will be there for ever- regardless of the consequences to people and the country.

 

What, exactly, is Obama proposing? The House bill? The Baucus bill? Some other bill?

 

I'd say that it makes a difference because people are supporting a reform that they know nothing about, and could potentially harm our country in the long term.

If people knew what the reform actually meant and weren't told lies, it would be less likely that this reform was rammed down our throats.

 

This.

That is when the fat-lady has sung, and there ain't no goin' back.

 

The fundamental issue to me is that it's none of the government's goddammed business what medical treatment I choose. I have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This health care proposal is as un-American as it gets.

 

That's one of the things I'l never really understand- how some people really feel it's the business of the government to dictate nearly every aspect of our lives and entirely remove choice.

 

It will make it more difficult for some to keep the insurance that we currently have. My taxes will go up due to this proposal. But I'm definitely not rich living in the Bay Area, so something has to give somewhere. So my choice isn't gone, but they government is limiting my choices.