Actually that's a myth. Roy plays PG and is thus considered a better playmaker by default. If you watch Carter play and look at his numbers, he's turned into one of the best playmakers in the league, probably 2nd best behind LeBron amongst non PGs.
Well I guess I'm just gonna have to disagree with you on that. Roy mostly only plays PG in the 4th quarter by the way. Looking at numbers does nothing for me. Stats mean nothing, watching games does.
Uh what makes you think he's the second best non-pg playmaker in the league? And I've looked at the numbers, they don't seem that flashy do they? The assist to turnover ratio is solid at least, but I wouldn't go as far as you.
Yeah, because it's all about numbers. Carter is definitely a better playmaker. If he had teammates who could actually hit a shot, along with no other playmaker on the team for a full season, he'd be much better in the assists category.
Is it all about stats? Well sometimes that is the case, other times no. Whatever, he could be the better playmaker compared to Roy, but second best non-pg facilitator after Bron? You agree with him on that then? I was commenting on that point alone, I don't really care about the Roy vs Vince tangent.
Well, right now I can't think of anyone better. McGrady is up there. Hedo. Can't think of too many others right now, because I have a headache. But neither of those guys are better than Carter at being a playmaker.
Ever hear of Kobe Bryant? How about Dwayne Wade? Joe Johnson, maybe? All those guys I'd put ahead of Carter in the playmaker category. And if you want to play the "what if" games, Kobe could average 8apg or so if his teammates knocked down open jumpers, so it works both ways.
Yeah the turnovers makes them more even, I still wouldn't comfortably put VC over him on that category though.
The Blazers and Nets basically had the same FG% last year. And Steve Blake may not be a flashy name, but he's a more than sufficient playmaker
So turnovers make you a bad playmaker? Funny, cause I always considered Steve Nash and JKidd to be two of the best there, and they turn it over more than Wade does.
Oh yeah, and you're wrong, because they don't. Go look it up. Their assist to turnover doesn't even compare. Wade isn't that great a playmaker.
I'll generalize the responses to this debate: 1) Nets fans are going to say Vince because they see him do it and Vince is a very good playmaker 2) Blazer fans are going to say Roy because they see him do it and Roy is a very good playmaker 3) Other NBA are tired of Vince being overrated by his fans so they will say Roy
Vince isn't as good of a playmaker as TMac, Kobe, Wade or Joe Johnson, but he is still a very good playmaker. The Nets would be screwed if he wasn't because Devin Harris isn't a playmaker. He is a scorer with one "play" that he can make. Go really fast towards the basket and pass when a big man comes over to stop the penetration.
With the amount of time Wade spends with the ball, his height and the fact that he actually plays PG a lot... yeah, he's a point and should not be in the discussion. Kobe is very good play maker, but it's relatively hard to judge because he's never actually played with a REAL point guard. I've never seen what's so special about Joe Johnson. He played point for one season in ATL and put up good stats, but if you look at him playing as well as his career numbers, he was never a great assist man. T-Mac is a good playmaker but I always thought he's a little...hmm.. unreliable? For example, Carter can't be relied on to get a good shot at the end of the game, T-Mac can't be relied on to make the right play. By the way, my original point was not that he's a better playmaker than Roy, but that belief that Roy is "much better" is simply wrong. And yes, if he actually had teammates who could shoot this argument would be much more concrete. He's had exactly one teammate with a shooting reputation during his tenure in NJ. The sixth man Eddie House.
