CERN Finds “Significant” Cosmic Ray Cloud Effect

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    Now that conservatives oppose predicting the future because it might be wrong, you guys will no doubt close down Homeland Security, the Defense Dept, intelligence agencies, end torture because how can you be sure the victims will return to fighting, and stop all technology because how can you be sure it will always work?

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    The source of bias has been established. It's either "follow the money" or taking down the "great Satan"
     
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    It is a fact that you support noisy statistical models that measure only a few years. That's not "climate" and that is a bad analysis.

    CERN's experiment and premise are different than the usual garbage you support. And I attacked your beliefs on multiple levels that you refuse to address.

    Eh? That didn't address much, you just went on a tangent.
     
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    I haven't specifically supported any model.
    What beliefs have you ascribed to me? I'll do my best to defend the the viewpoints you assume I have.
    Two sentences does not a tangent make

    That link was actually the same study that Denny posted. I just wanted to prove a point that you don't know what you're talking about.

    It's a shame, too because it's an excellent study. We don't understand clouds very well at all and Kirby's research shed some light on how they form. You should give it a read
     
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  8. Denny Crane

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    I found the last sentence or two of the abstract to be contradictory. The effect is huge, but it's not huge.
     
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    Kinda OT, but I saw the NASA scientist who measured no global warming from the satellites. He was on a Science Channel show. Turns out he's the imaging specialist for the New Horizons probe.
     
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    That is unusual because there is a good amount of evidence pointing to a warming planet (rising global average temps, shrinking glaciers, shrinking ice caps, etc...)

    What was the time span he was looking at?
     
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    I'm not claiming this article is any more factual than the one Denny posted. I haven't read either one, frankly (I mean the underlying journal articles - I have read the press articles). But since I'm pretty sure Denny is too busy to post this one, I'll take care of it for him.

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    A climate study covering a 10 year period in Earth's history is hardly compelling.
     
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    Oh, you think clouds work differently in other time periods? Maybe we've had bad clouds this last 10 years, but once the good clouds return all will be well?

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    Wrong questions.

    The data and observations for this ten year period can easily not match those of other periods.

    Especially during the big chill years of the middle ages.

    Besides that, there's been cooling the past ten years. Data from the prior ten years might becalmed different.
     
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    The topic was brought up in another thread but not discussed in much detail.

    If cosmic rays are affecting cloud cover and raising the temperature of the earth to levels that inhospitable to humans should we intervene somehow to stop it?
     
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    It is interesting. Supposedly the earth's magnetic field changes from time to time, even swapping the poles. On top of that, the field may be weakening altogether. Or there are known weak spots whose movements would allow solar wind and other radiation to reach lower altitudes where they hadn't before.

    A question I raise is why is there detected warming trends on other planets that don't have an industrial revolution?
     
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    barfo
     
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