Championship Game- Illinois vs North Carolina

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Time to hop off Marvin Williams, Shard. Marvin Williams is the anti-clutch. Did you see how many key possessions he blew for the Tarheels? This kid showed that he couldn't handle the big stage. In fact, none of the players from either teams had a particularly clutch performance. However, Williams leads that crowd of underachievers. He had a so-so game but almost lost it for the Heels.</div>

Are u like a UNC basher? Williams is a freshman on the court with juniors and seniors...<strike>but all u do is say if Augustine was in then...shut up</strike>! May killed them, he played basketball...Weber couldnt come up with a great way to stop him...double team...trap...it didnt work...the team deserves credit now ur hatin on em like they didnt deserve to win...while we're on the refs...lets talk about the illegal screens Illinois set or when Jack Ingram jumped through everybody to get a rebound<strike>...ur sad buddy, u really are...</strike>

<font color="Red">Personal attacks and baiting are not allowed on JBB. This is your first warning. Next time I'll suspend you. - Voodoo Child</font>

 

May

Sean May became only the second (d. manning) player to lead the tourney in points and boards. impressive. All the great players that couldnt do that yet he did.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">There's a fine line between not letting Augustine get away with reaching in and completely taking the Illini out of the game, and the reffs crossed that line. I didn't see much of a foul on that time that he fouled out either. When there's that little contact on this big of a stage with that high profile of a player, you should just let the players play.

I never said May was stoppable, but I definitely think Augustine could have slowed him down a little more than Ingrahm could have. Besides, the offensive production from Augustine might have pushed Illinois over the top just as much as his defensive play would have. This game came down to the last minute, so I definitely think Augustine would have impacted the game enough for the Illini to win.</div>

I won't deny that Augustine would of made a difference, you don't average a double double for the tourney and not be some kind of force for your team. I still think Augustine would of got in foul trouble guarding May though, only way that wouldn't happen Is If they doubled him every single time when he got the ball and quite frankly they didn't do that enough. To start the game off they were but went away from that very quickly.

I do agree some of the fouls he got called for were very harsh, most were reach in's but most of the time those kind of fouls are never called. The refs didn't let the teams play at all.

With all that said as someone else mentioned Iiinois's comeback had alot to do with the ilegal screens they kept seting throughout the 2nd half, none of them were called which allowed Iiinois to get plenty of wide open threes. Deron Williams was the guy that did the most damage because of that.

 

I like UNC, but agree that Marvin was anti-clutch. He very well could have cost them the game if he didn't get that tip in. He jumped to early on most of his rebound attempts, developed a bad shooting touch, and just wasn't the super freshman he's been all year.

That's my only beef with the performance

 

This was a great win for North Carolina. Sean May is a beast. No one could stop him, he fouled Augustine out and came up big down the stretch. May was the key to the game. Him and Felton worked together extremelly well. I was worried that Felton would pick up his 3rd foul on a chep call toward the end of the 1st half. They did a good job playing the point zone, I didn't think they would be able to stop Head, Brown and Williams with a zone but they held them down well.

The Illini shot way to many threes and didn't try to pound the ball inside. Illinois took 40 three point attempts and only made 12. Head was 5 for 16 from three. Illinois just had a horrible shooting night and couldn't stop May and Felton.

Congratulations to the North Carolina Tar Heels! You are the best.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AA13:</div><div class="quote_post">This was a great win for North Carolina. Sean May is a beast. No one could stop him, he fouled Augustine out and came up big down the stretch.</div>Sorry to say but Augustine fouled himself out of the game with those cheap reach in fouls. He could have played the whole game if he kept his hands to himself.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">Sorry to say but Augustine fouled himself out of the game with those cheap reach in fouls. He could have played the whole game if he kept his hands to himself.</div>

Yea, he got called for a lot of reach in fouls. The last one they called on him IMO, wasn't a foul. It looked like he stripped it clean.

Weber didn't want him guarding May due to his foul situation. May also contributed in getting 4 fouls on Ingram. The Illinois big men didn't show up at all last night. It seemed like Poweel wasn't a factor. He hit one three and then it seemed like he didn't do much scoring after that.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Powell was defintely a factor he had 14 rebounds, 8 of them on the offensive glass.</div>

Yea, I knew he was a factor on the glass but I was talking about his scoring last night. He only had 9 points and 2 turnovers.

 

My Tarheels coming through on their fourth national championship! Augustine got some silly fouls early that could have changed the whole game. But a good game for my Tarheels but I don't expect to have a lot of players back next year.

 

Good game and good win for the Heels. Give credit to everyone on that team, everyone came up when necessary - think of David Noel coming in for Manuel and playing good minutes.

Gotta love Sean May. He ate up the Illinois big men. Augustine should have been called for three fouls at the most, some of those were shaky calls, but then again he was reaching. Just play with your feet and you'll stay out of trouble! Ingram did a good job though.

Illinois, as stated, took way too many threes, but then again that's their game. I still give credit to UNC for their great play - and as a point guard, I gotta love Ray Felton.

Overall, a good game, good overall performance by both teams though Illinois should have won if they had taken 15 shots from inside the arc instead of 15 outside (25 attempts is plenty if you ask me.)

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GiantMidget:</div><div class="quote_post">Sean may had the best national championship game performance since Bill Walton,period.Dont laugh at that statement unless you have a retort either.</div>

I've heard a lot of people saying that recently, and frankly I think they just don't have too much knowledge of the past. I wouldn't say his game was as good as Mateen Cleaves' eighteen point comeback-performance off of that intentional foul from Teddy Dupay to win the national championship in 2000 or maybe even Shane Battier's eighteen point, eleven rebound, and six assist performance was better. You can't even say that Sean May had the best national championship game in the last five years for certain.

Anyway, I want people to get off of me about my comments made about James Augustine and Sean May. I'm not a "hater", just go back and read my first post where I congratulated UNC. In fact, I didn't even want to argue in this thread until someone said Sean May was a beast tonight. The fact of the matter is that he played against very weak competition downlow. I would expect Shelden Williams, Paul Davis, Ronny Turiaf, etc. to have the same kind of games if they played against Ingrahm for an entire game. Yes, he put up great stats, but face reality, he's not on Bill Walton's level. Hell, I'm not even sure if he's on his dad's level. And that's not hating, that's reality.

By the way, for further proof that I am not a North Carolina "hater", go check out JustBBall.Com's latest mock draft in the 'NBA Draft' Forum where Shapecity and I researched and reconstructed the entire first round. We have three North Carolina players going in the lottery (#3 Williams, #9 Felton, #11 May, #13 McCants). Would a North Carolina, Marvin Williams, or Sean May "hater" put together a mock draft like that?


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are u like a UNC basher? Williams is a freshman on the court with juniors and seniors...but all u do is say if Augustine was in then...shut up! May killed them, he played basketball...Weber couldnt come up with a great way to stop him...double team...trap...it didnt work...the team deserves credit now ur hatin on em like they didnt deserve to win...while we're on the refs...lets talk about the illegal screens Illinois set or when Jack Ingram jumped through everybody to get a rebound...ur sad buddy, u really are...</div>

I don't know where to start with you. First of all, I'm not "like a UNC basher". I came in here to congratulate them on a terrific season and a well played game, but I'm not going to lie about the performances from Sean May and Marvin Williams just so all the elitist bandwagon North Carolina fans on this board can feel special. I call it like I see it and don't post just to "bash". Second of all, I'll just be honest with you, I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying, but from what I gathered, you think that just because Marvin Williams is a Freshman I should cut him more slack than a Junior like Deron Williams? That's bogus. The fact of the matter is that Marvin Williams played a bad game. His night doesn't look anymore impressive by saying that he's "a freshman on the court". Besides, I wasn't even that hard on the guy. I know he's a talented player, and I was just pointing out that he wasn't clutch, which he wasn't. I'm not alone in thinking that either. Look at some of the other posts in this thread-

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I like UNC, but agree that Marvin was anti-clutch. He very well could have cost them the game if he didn't get that tip in. He jumped to early on most of his rebound attempts, developed a bad shooting touch, and just wasn't the super freshman he's been all year. </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marvin Williams was trulely terrible out there, I hope he returns to UNC next season to develop his game more as he doesn't look like a guy who can produce straight away at all. He has looked very average the past couple of games.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marvin Williams probably just dropped his stock down to a top 10 instead of an arguable #1 overall.</div>

And JayManHawk, I posted about Augustine once initially and then once in reply. You act like that's all I've ever posted about. I've never seen you post before, so I'm assuming you've never seen me post either. So don't make assumptions like that.