Politics CHARLIE KIRK SHOT IN UTAH

Well i would first ask for clarification and details. What specific rights are being taken away? Then i would go to the other side and let them know this is what the other side feels. Is this true and if so, why?

The right to free speech? The right to vote? The right of equal treatment regardless of gender, ethnicity or age?
The right to live?

if one entity/group feels this way, they have the right to ask snd the other side has a humane right to answer.
May not happen, but its the only realistic start to solving anything, I can see.

Then, based on the answers, start that back and forth of why one feels/believes a certain way, find potential holes in the reasoning and point them out in a way that turns the light on and doesn't slam the door shut to further communication/ mutual education.

The less we understand each other the more we will fight. The more we try to understand one another will increase the percentages of finding peace for all.

 

was going to check twitter to verify if this post is real but then I saw the misspelled "from" and knew

 

When discussing these things with peers and you stop and then say fuck you, you lost and they won. Regardless of right or wrong, you just let them win.
Again. Im not referring to Kirk or Trump. Im referring to those you interact with daily that do not share your views.

 

If I tell someone who doesn't want a family member of mine to exist to fuck off, I didn't lose. And they didn't win shit. I have no desire for open dialogue with these people. You can both sides it all you want to. But both sidesing it gives more voice and power to the "wrong side" by legitimizing it as an equal viewpoint worthy of discussion and debate.

 

One thing that is really annoying is when friends or family say "I just don't want to talk politics."

I'm sorry, the rights of people I love are not "politics."

People say that because it allows them to disassociate from their hurtful decisions.

 

Cool. Have we not had open dialogue since? Did I not say i apologized and self reflected? Thank you. I preemptively accept your apology.

Please, in our current climate, please explain and post discussion in detail about how to have open and honest dialogue with racists and bigots. Help me to understand how to better talk to them. Because apparently this first step of yours should be so easy, so lets do that. Im all ears.

Your view is myopic. It doesnt take into effect the actual severity of the erosion this country is in. 30 years ago? Hell yeah, you could have conversations. Totally agree.

But thats not NOW. Right before he got shot and killed, Kirk said 5 people who identified as Trans committed mass shootings. In the last 12 years (ish) there have been over 5,500 mass shootings (identified as 4 or more deaths within an event).

To Kirks credit, he held "discussions"... and how did that go? Did it unite anybody? Only the ones that wanted to target a minority.

So what the hell is open and honest dialogue going to do? We need people in positions of movement to be in place so we can protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But we dont. #1 is getting people in place. Not dialogue. Thats gone. Times have changed. It use to be #1 but its so bad now.

You have hopes and a way youd like it to go... but its not feasible, like I and others have routinely said in this thread. And quite frankly, I dont know if youre ever going to understand it, despite its basic nature. And that is a you problem, ill rest knowing what the reality of this dire situation is. And it fucking sucks all the way around.

 

Mods, please move the Covid comments to the Covid thread. Please. Please....?????

 

The negative outcomes of legitimizing and giving voice to "both sides"

 

okay. But when they pass laws minimizing your existence, you DID lose. If they get the end game they want, you lost. Whether you see it or not.

what you are failing to understand, or im failing to explain, is that if they get their way, they win. And when we fight with each other, they win.
Whether its worthy or not, the moment you stop taking the high road, they win. That's what they want. They want you to stoop like them. They want war. They think with war all opposition can be eliminated.
Yeah, they win. Hope I'm explaining that for a better understanding. If, in the end, they eradicate what they don't like because the masses are too busy pointing fingers at each other, they win.

 

I’m talking from experience of what I have seen first hand.

Sorry you haven’t and you listen to everything that is feed to you online like a pond on a chess board

 

It did not start out that way nor have you been this way for a long time. You have very much been very aggressive in many topics of discussion. So I'm sorry, not sorry. Happy to move on and i liked your posts that you made saying it was wrong or whatever, but I'm not apologizing for pointing out facts. I have to own my outbursts here and so do you.

very happy you are trying to have a valid discussion. I do respect that.

 

Oh Jesus, what web site are you reading?

No one said the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid. What WAS said was it will greatly reduce your chance of getting Covid and if you do get it, it's less severe.
Birth control isn't 100%. Should women just kind of hope they don't get pregnant because birth control isn't guaranteed to prevent pregnancy?

Please show studies of people who died from side effects of vaccine. Vast majority of side effects were sore arm. Every med has potential side effects, even aspirin and Tylenol. There are no millions who died of Covid vaccine except on antivax web sites. I have no idea what the health status of your friend's mom. I do know that the first people who got the vaccine were either old or had health problems or both. So some died shortly after getting vaccine because they were old and sick. Antivaxxers then listed everyone who died shortly after getting vaccine as having died from it, even those with well know pre-existing heart conditions or cancer.

Who are "they" who don't want people buying cheap ivermectin? Those who studied it and found no effect? The "they" in this instance are quacks who yes, made money, pushing something known not to work.

Pharmaceutical companies make money from drugs. It's called capitalism. I don't like it. I'm a socialist. That's another argument.

Actual scientists who actually study virology and epidemiology credit Covid vaccine with saving millions of lives. Just like birth control. Even though neither are perfect.

 

revisionist memory? FB and this place was full of finger pointing and vile statements made to those who had different opinions. Check history.

 

In general, yes and yes. Does that mean i blindly follow?, no. Question, research, find the truth( very hard to do, i know) and discuss things with peers.
I trust many people/things thst still require scrutiny at times because we are not perfect. People make mistakes. People get led astray with miss-info. People make decisions based on personal beliefs without realizing the ramifications it has on others.
Nothing in this current climate should be blindly followed in my opinion.