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  1. Denny Crane

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    Fun times. Look at this load of crap they had KC floating for the fans. Pun intended.

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...19_1_marquis-teague-luxury-tax-trade-deadline

    Teague could make Robinson expendable

    Bulls veteran in jeopardy with non-guaranteed contract if rookie keeps showing progress

    There's a fine print element to the point guard rotation that is currently under scrutiny because of rookie Marquis Teague's solid play when given extended minutes.

    It's called Nate Robinson's non-guaranteed contract.

    The Bulls signed the veteran guard to a deal that doesn't become fully guaranteed until Jan. 10. That means they can waive Robinson with no penalty any time before that date, an option that always has been under consideration internally.

    (didn't want to pay Nate, but had no better alternative)

    League sources indicate that veteran shooting guard Richard Hamilton has been offered in trade scenarios, efforts that could intensity as the Feb. 21 trade deadline nears.

    With a minimal guarantee on a team option for next season, Hamilton's salary is in essence an expiring contract, which could make him attractive to teams looking to add scoring punch near the deadline.

    The Bulls' current payroll of $73,548,450 stands $3,241,450 above the luxury tax threshold. But penalties are assessed based on team payrolls at season's end. The Bulls never have paid the luxury tax.
     
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    Sham tried floating that same load of crap, and some fans actually bought it.

    I mean the load of crap that the Bulls might cut Nate to save money.

    The TRUTH of the matter- as Sham finally admitted near the bottom of his article- was that Nate was player #13 on the roster, and if the Bulls cut his minimum salary, they would have had to replace him on the roster with another player.

    League rules require teams to have a minimum of 13 players on the roster.
     
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    Another player every so often on 10 day contracts. Those are prorated. Nate's was not.
     
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    Uhhh, no.

    10 days at the minimum salary is 10 days at the minimum salary. It doesn't matter if it's a 10-day contract or a 1 year contract, 10 days at the minimum is 10 days at the minimum.

    For example, Cartier Martin's 10-day contracts last season each cost the Bulls $52,017. That's the exact same cost as having Nate stay under contract for 10 days. So at $5,201.70 a day, the Bulls could have saved $72,823.80 every 24 days. $3,034.33 a day from January 10 until April 16.

    $288,260.88 in salary, $576,521.75 in salary plus luxury tax is what the Bulls would have saved if they cut Nate and did the "14 days with a 12-man roster out of every 24 days" plan. Wow.

    The simple fact that you even care to discuss the Bulls THINKING ABOUT- not even doing, just THINKING ABOUT- saving less than $600,000 says it all. If that's what you're into, I would suggest you join the Dow Jones forum and the NASDAQ forum, I'm sure there are a lot more discussions there on tiny profit margins.

    Discussing a company increasing their profit margin by ONE PERCENT, which is what the "waive Nate, do the 10-day contract" dance would have done for the Bulls.
     
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    So you go through the exercise of showing me how Nate's contract wasn't prorated and all those 10 day ones are.

    And then you want to argue about it for some reason.

    :crazy:

    Yes, the Bulls cut players to save a $hundred thousand here and there. It adds up.
     
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    Maybe you're right, maybe the Bulls ownership saves $100k here and there so they can give $3 million to a former player out of the kindness of their hearts. Out of their sacred profit margin.

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    The Chicago Bulls are close to reaching a contract settlement with Jay Williams, recuperating from a motorcycle accident that has jeopardized his career.

    Bill Duffy, Williams' agent, said Thursday he expected the buyout to be finalized within the next few days.

    "We're looking at the 'T's getting crossed and the 'I's getting dotted," Duffy said. "We're obviously extremely grateful to [Bulls chairman] Jerry Reinsdorf. He has done something that he is not obligated to do, which basically is to give Jay quite a handsome settlement."

    The buyout was first reported by the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times.

    Riding a motorcycle violates the standard NBA contract, and the Bulls could have terminated Williams' deal after the accident June 19. Instead, they put the No. 2 pick in the 2002 draft on injured reserve and continued to pay him.

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    Obviously, I am finished discussing the ridiculous notion that the Bulls only care about profits.
     
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    They weren't going to sue JWill.

    Year after year, Forbes details how the Bulls rake in tens of $millions in profits. Ever increasing profits. $60M last year.

    Boo hoo for the Chairmans wallet when he on rare occasion spends a little and writes it off .

    If he had $10M profits, I wouldn't say much about it. But surely they can either put a better team on the floor or treat their players better by reinvesting some of those profits.

    The top FAs go to teams that they know will spend what it takes to win, instead if dumping a Tyson Chandler for cap space to avoid the tax. It was a terrible product on the floor, where I really care what happens. PJ Brown. Just awful, and had to play him because we didn't gave anyone else.
     
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    The Chicago Bulls are close to reaching a contract settlement with Jay Williams, recuperating from a motorcycle accident that has jeopardized his career.

    Bill Duffy, Williams' agent, said Thursday he expected the buyout to be finalized within the next few days.

    "We're looking at the 'T's getting crossed and the 'I's getting dotted," Duffy said. "We're obviously extremely grateful to [Bulls chairman] Jerry Reinsdorf. He has done something that he is not obligated to do, which basically is to give Jay quite a handsome settlement."

    The buyout was first reported by the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times.

    Riding a motorcycle violates the standard NBA contract, and the Bulls could have terminated Williams' deal after the accident June 19. Instead, they put the No. 2 pick in the 2002 draft on injured reserve and continued to pay him.

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    Obviously, I am finished discussing the ridiculous notion that the Bulls only care about profits.
     
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    Blatant lie, meant to pacify FOH.

    Truth:
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    Clearly there was an intention to try and trade Rip Hamilton to get under the luxury tax, but early word came from Adrian Wojnarowski that the Bulls were not willing to include a first-round pick to do so.

    So that's good. The Bulls did not part with any assets just to avoid the luxury tax.

    http://www.blogabull.com/2013/2/21/...dline-bulls-make-no-moves-will-pay-luxury-tax
     
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    How much is a draft pick worth? $4M? About what the tax was. That's how the reasoning works.
     
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    I read blogabull.com regularly. I'm surprised you would cite content by hundreds or thousands of FOH guys.

    http://www.blogabull.com/2013/2/19/4005082/chicago-bulls-trade-rumors-luxury-tax-reapeater

    Try not to fall for the line that it's more about the latter than the former. And specifically to that money issue: the 'repeater' that Berger references is what happens after you're in the tax 3 out of 4 seasons. Thus, a scenario where the Bulls pay the luxury tax this season, next season, 2014-15, and then incur an added penalty when they pay it again in 2015-16. In the previous 11 seasons there's been a luxury tax, the Bulls have paid...:-):does math::)...zero times. And have received nearly $28m from the payers.

    The Bulls have been pretty adept at dumping money through trades in past deadlines (2007, 2010) in ways that you could talk yourself into being justified as 'lost seasons', or 'can't get over the top', or 'hey-Jimmy-Butler-can-play-more-right?' type of reasoning, but they may have their work cut out for them this season. But try to have faith in the financial champs.

    (what do they mean by financial champs? hrmmmm?)
     
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    So now the goalposts have moved again?

    It's gone from "every move is about profit" to "Boo hoo for the Chairmans wallet when he on rare occasion spends a little" to "how much is a draft pick worth"?

    That's why the Profit Crowd usually just gets laughed at, they are just a caricature of themselves who can't be taken seriously, because every time one of their talking points is proven wrong, they just move the goalposts again.

    Usually, I'm guessing it's because they are too ignorant as to how a Salary Cap and CBA works to discuss it, because you never see them discuss it. Each and every move is met with "It's all about profit" because they don't understand the workings of the Salary Cap, and that smart teams spend their money wisely.

    Even though that "cap-saving move" gave the team the cap space to sign Kyle Korver or Pau Gasol, they just can't comprehend that it took CAP SPACE to sign those guys.

    Always good for comedic relief, though, which is why we love the Profit Crowd.
     
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    They valued the rookie scale contract over 4 or 5 years over the $4M in tax. It's not hard to figure out.

    #FinancialChamps
     
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    In 2014:

    Of the teams with the four highest payrolls, two of them (Knicks $88,012,698 and Lakers $77,089,935) didn't even make the playoffs. Brooklyn, with the runaway highest payroll in the league ($102,825,181), lost in five games in the second round. (Miami had the third highest payroll).

    The teams with the fifth through ninth highest payrolls were:

    Los Angeles Clippers - $72,660,813 - lost in the the second round
    Chicago Bulls - $71,355,088 - lost in the first round
    Memphis Grizzlies - $71,894,258 - lost in the first round
    Washington Wizards - $70,301,084 - lost in the second round
    Boston Celtics - $70,641,237 - missed the playoffs

    Spend, spend, spend, that's how you win!!!!!!!!
     
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    For some fictional reason, folks seem to think that spending more money on salaries leads to winning. This is the 11th season for NBA teams to pay the luxury tax, and of the 44 teams that have played in the Final Four (the Conference Finals), only 23 of them were taxpayers.

    11/22 East

    12/22 West

    That's not a misprint- in the NBA's Luxury Tax era, only 52.3% of Conference Finals teams actually paid the luxury tax.
     
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    Bwahahahahaha!!!!!

    Or they could have just signed a 2nd-round pick to that spot and paid him the rookie minimum, which would have meant even more profit than paying a first round pick!!!!!!!!

    LOL!!!!!
     
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    Or instead of paying Hinrich most of the MLE and Belinelli the BAE, they could have just signed two players to the veteran's minimum and paid NO LUXURY TAX!!!

    Hohohohohoho!!!!!

    Hilarious!!!!!
     
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    It's not about spending, it's about the bottom line.

    Profit is defined as income minus expenses.

    If they have $100M in income and spend (expenses of) $50M, they have $50M in profit.

    If they have $110M in income and spend $60M, they still have $50M in profit.

    They clearly and consciously work to maximize profit. It's true you can do so by cutting expenses, but it's also true you can invest (spend more) in increased sales.

    The winning teams DO spend. The losing teams do not. Some teams that spend do not as well. One thing is for sure, losing teams do not spend.
     
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    But... but... but... PROFITS!!!!
     
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    OMFG!!!! LMFAO!!!!! LOLOLOL!!!!!!

    Of the teams with the four highest payrolls, two of them (Knicks $88,012,698 and Lakers $77,089,935) didn't even make the playoffs. LOSING TEAMS THAT SPEND!!!!

    OK I have to stop now, I am laughing so hard that my gut hurts.

    Besides, I came here because there are so many guys I've known for years who post intelligently about the Bulls. If I want to read PROFITS!!!! PROFITS!!!!!!!! PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I'll just click on RealGM.

    PROFITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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