Chicago @ Golden State: Game Thread, 11/17/2004

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  1. upsidedownside7

    upsidedownside7 JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Not to mention his post up. I barely endured Jamison trade, because we dumped his salary for the better financial future. But, if I knew we would dump his salary slot for Foyle and Fisher, I probably would go berserk. At least with Jamison, we don't have to worry about scoring, and it's not like Dunleavy is playing any defense either...</div>

    It's funny because I was thinking about this today. What if we kept Jamison? Him and JRich would be a good scoring duo. I don't think losing Jamison was a killer but we did all of this for Dunleavy. Jamison is clearly the better player... He's even got a more consistent jumper then Dunleavy and now we're in salary cap hell.
     
  2. Kwan1031

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    Well, Dunleavy really filled Jamison's hole as being a traditional SF and bringing 'intangible' many people mentioned about. Wait, no he didn't... Actually, I am not too bitter about Dunleavy filling Jamison's role, if we don't pay tons of money on Dunleavy (ok, that seems like BIG if at that point), since he is an adaquate SF. But, I am really angry because we completely wasted his 14 mils slot.

    Man, we can really use Jamison now, because for some reason, wherever Jamison went, that team can flat out score (7th, 2nd, 1st and 5th). Of course, those teams couldn't defend card board either (26th, 22th, 27th, and 26th on opp. shooting %). But then, it's not like we dramatically improved on defense either (19th and 23th on opp. shooting % for last two years), while our scoring went down from 13th to 29th... I guess it's another Warriors blunder.

    Speaking of Jamison trade... who pulled the trigger? It happened under the Saint era, but many people back then believed that it was Mullin's move, and I tend to believe so for various reasons.

    1. At that time, Saint was believed to be a lame duck.
    2. If Saint wished to keep his job and turn the situation around, there is a little possibility that he will trade his most consistant and productive player for caproom in two years.
    3. The move was for Dunleavy as well, and Mullin was in love with him.

    But, did Mullin have that much power a year ago? And, if that was indeed his move, why did he wasted Jamison's slot on Foyle and Fisher, knowing that he would most likely criticized for overpaying both players? Did Mullin wish for financial flexibility, not realizing that bad team must overpay, and received rude awakening call this offseason? Or was that Saint's move after all, thinking that NVE will actually cover Jamison's hole, while getting nice caproom in two years?

    I guess it really doesn't matter now, but just curious...
     
  3. Warriorfansnc93

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    Trading Jamison allowed us to resign Jrich and Murphy. If I am wrong, please correct me. If we did not have Foyle and Fisher, who would we have right now? Especially when Speedy goes down to injury, or DD. That is why we signed those guys. NVE at the time was still recovering from knee surgery, we could not count on him or expect him to score 20pts on us...
     
  4. Kwan1031

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    Well, here is things. Jamison's average salary was 14 mils per year. Richardson receives 12 mils per year and Murphy receives 10 mils per year. So, in a sense, we removed Jamison's contract to sign just one player. As a matter of fact, both Jamison and Fortson's contracts are not enough to cover their bill. And, don't you think 14 mils per two injury insurances are tad expensive, when you can use that same money to sign/trade max player? Ok, Foyle might not be signed to be an insurance backup, so that won't be fair for Mullin. But, that's what he became under Monty.

    Which package would you rather choose?

    1. Jamison or Richardson and Cheaney
    2. Jamison or Murphy and Najera
    3. Jamison and Arenas or Richardson, Murphy and Cheaney
    4. Jamison or Foyle and Fisher
    5. Arenas or Murphy and Cheaney
    6. Arenas or Richardson

    Maybe 6, since I am not exactly in love with Arenas. But other than that, I would choose 'what could have been' instead of what we have now...
     
  5. Custodianrules2

    Custodianrules2 Cohan + Rowell = Suck

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    I would take Jamison and Richardson. The problem with Arenas is he doesn't share the ball at times and he's always turning it over. Jamison I think could at least handle the halfcourt track. Salary cap wise the warriors would be screwed with Richardson and Jamison. What we need on this team is a point guard that has excellent court vision. I was upset we lost NVE because he had the best vision and he was pretty clever on offense. Dfish doesn't have court vision and speedy is too much of one on one player, but at least he knows how the offense is structured so that he knows where to look once he drives.
     

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