China declares war on ISIS after terrorists claim to have executed Chinese hostage

stampedehero · Nov 27, 2015

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There are several issues that could help significantly towards bringing the US much closer to energy independence that would be heavily disputed by you or any Libertarian. A much greater governmental investment in non-oil tech, major incentives towards conversion AND major penalties (in the way of significant tariffs) on crude oil. I understand fully that you will argue we already have those things and they are unsuccessful, I would say we have some limited success because we haven't gone nearly far enough and the pendulum will only full swing with enough force. But neither you nor I can win this argument because we don't have enough proof or available proof. I would point to Germany as evidence of progress and you would point to Germany as evidence that even with all that backing they still have gasoline cars.

So, there really isn't a debate to be had between us. A fundamental difference in how we view the world. I do truly understand your vantage point and I dismiss it, and I would assume you do the same for me. I guess the good thing is, neither of us have power of dictatorship. But we do have votes, and for that I'm happy.

As far as Pickens, I think he makes a lot of sense on a lot of topics, especially energy, but I also think he is blinded on this topic towards certain outcomes. Also, there has been a lot of progress already on this front since that plan was devised. We are currently very close to energy independence if you quantify that as US total energy out vs US total energy in. However, if you define it as US required crude oil intake, than we have a major major deficit. I think we are better to define the current problem not as energy independence and instead as oil dependence. or at least foreign oil dependance. Because the amount of natural gas, coal and even oil that we ship out is tremendous. But if you favor free markets than we will always be bringing in oil from the Middle East as long as we require 18B gallons/day. We need to start incentivizing conversion to natural gas, hybrids, fully electric, hydrogen and any crude oil reductive method. Gas should cost much much more at the pump and then the free market along with governmental subsidies (paid for in great part by those gas tariffs) will find the solution and get us off the Mid East teat.
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Besides our advances we have electric battery and hydrogen as other resources. There is more but that was squashed by oil giants and greedy finanacial bastards.

stampedehero · Nov 27, 2015

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Looks like with the French, Russians and Chinese all pissed at ISIS, we'll be "leading from behind" again. Having no influence in the Middle East is awesome.
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Make that "less" influence

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