<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There was another thread about this, but I could easily see Paul become better than Isiah.</div> Wooooooow there bud.....stats in 2 seasons don't mean a whole lot. Longevity and consistency matter, Paul has been good up intill now, so whats the point about debating a future nobody knows.....injury, fatigue, gettin washed up could all happen. And last time I saw, I think Isiah has a championship ring....that means something. Also, taking Iversons greatest year, or Brand's MVP year and projecting it over a career is obviouly not going to be an accurate representation of what a player will do over his entire career. Just because Chris Paul has been this good for a year and a quarter doesn't mean he can do it for a career. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a wonderful player, but all this talk seems a little premature.
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I read it, and the fact that you think I didn't read it just goes to show how narcissistic you are. In that case, I'm just going to go ahead and let you know that you are a moron. I was trying to be nice about it before.</div> You read it the way you want to read it. Read it clearly. Its in plan english. At the end of his career. What don't you understand with that statement? Please show me in my posts where I was going way ahead of myself. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Keep your pants on buddy. He's great, but you're insulting decades of better point guards with that hyperbole</div>Please tell me how Im insulting anyone in my posts? If Chris Paul continues to play the way he is, he will surpass other Point Guards. I never once mentioned or pointed fingers to any point guard he would dethrone from the TOP 10 list. I never once said he'll be better than any particular player. All I said was that by the end of his career, CP will be a top ten point guard and he was something special. You made it seem like I was insulting other players for that remark. What is so insulting by it? I dont see anyone else complaining about my comments I made besides you. BTW, NARCISSITIC means thinking highly of yourself and being conceited. Im doing neither. Im praising another person not myself in anyway. You need to check your spelling and your English and you need to check yourself with calling people morons on this board. I wont stoop to your level with insults and as a warning, calling moderators morons can get you into trouble. Please be more considerate the next time you post. Thanks.
<div class="quote_poster">GameFace Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Your exact words ...and no one is saying he is top ten right now. We are talking about at the end of his career. Trench said this...</div> Again, I never said ANYTHING at all about the present (right now). I said ALREADY saying he WILL be top 10 is a bit too much. I never said anything about him being or not being top 10 right now. Who are you to say how good he will be by the end of his career? You are basing that off of his play in the PAST, rite? Seriously, none of us can see the future. So the only way you would say that he WILL be top 10 is by his play of his past and thats exactly what I said. He hasn't proven himself ENOUGH to be put above the great players. <div class="quote_poster">Trench Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You read it the way you want to read it. Read it clearly. Its in plan english. At the end of his career. What don't you understand with that statement? </div> Yes, it is plain English
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Again, I never said ANYTHING at all about the present (right now). I said ALREADY saying he WILL be top 10 is a bit too much. I never said anything about him being or not being top 10 right now. </div>How is predicting something a little too much? All we can go on is what we know right now, and from what we know he has matched up to par or better with the great point guards of the past in the first two seasons of their careers. Of course he may suffer a career ending injury or fall off completely, but as of now he is on pace to be one of the top ten point guards all time by the time his career ends.
<div class="quote_poster">GameFace Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Iverosn is not a better point guard than Chris Paul.</div> Iverson really isn't a tru point guard. He may run the point guard one game then play shooting guard. I consider him more of a shooting guard then a point guard. So you really can't compare the two. If you compared Iverson's point guard skills to Paul's point guard skills then Paul is better. Listen up. The guy is great and might be one of the top 10 point guards to ever play but putting him ahead of one of the greatest point guards Isiah Thomas is just a little too much. I agree that he might be one of the best 10 point guards to every play by the end of his career but thats only if he keeps on playing the way he is playing right now and like that game, he will be great and possibly one of the top 10 point guards but please dont put him ahead of Isiah Thomas.
Magic Johnson John Stockton Thomas JasonKidd Dennis Johnson Kevin johnson Penny Hardaway He hasent cracked this list yet but hes got potential. Evry PG is good in their own way. Youve got defensive, offensive, and scoring PG's. Just because a guy can score a bunch or pass a bunch doesnt make him better then another great pg. But my top 2 are Stockton and Magic. there are other PG's better than Paul but those are the ones that came to my mind. But paul is only a second year player hes not the G.O.A.T. or even close to it. Lets give him time to become who he will become. Magic is #1 and I dont see anyone being better than him. But he may eventually become top 5.
<div class="quote_poster">Umair Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Iverson really isn't a tru point guard. He may run the point guard one game then play shooting guard. I consider him more of a shooting guard then a point guard. So you really can't compare the two. If you compared Iverson's point guard skills to Paul's point guard skills then Paul is better. </div> Iverson is not a pure point guard and thus my statement remains true, AI is not a better point guard than Paul. He does not run the position better, nor manage the game as well. Now if you begin to talk about being a better player maybe the answer will be different.
<div class="quote_poster">GameFace Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How is predicting something a little too much? All we can go on is what we know right now, and from what we know he has matched up to par or better with the great point guards of the past in the first two seasons of their careers. Of course he may suffer a career ending injury or fall off completely, but as of now he is on pace to be one of the top ten point guards all time by the time his career ends.</div> How is predicting something a little too much? Had you said top 15 or top 20, it would have made more sense. But top 10 IMO is a little out of CP3's league. If he manages to win a championship, then I'd consider him for top 10 or if he single handedly leads Hornets into 2nd round of playoffs or if he does something spectacular. I don't feel him being dominant enough YET. Give him a few years, then I think it will be more clear. Maybe its because he hasn't gotten enough spotlight yet, but yeah. I want to see him do more in order for me to consider him top 10. I mean, your opinion is yours, I'm not gonna tell you its wrong but I'm just saying why I dont think he's top 10, YET.
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How is predicting something a little too much? Had you said top 15 or top 20, it would have made more sense. But top 10 IMO is a little out of CP3's league. If he manages to win a championship, then I'd consider him for top 10 or if he single handedly leads Hornets into 2nd round of playoffs or if he does something spectacular. I don't feel him being dominant enough YET. Give him a few years, then I think it will be more clear. Maybe its because he hasn't gotten enough spotlight yet, but yeah. I want to see him do more in order for me to consider him top 10. I mean, your opinion is yours, I'm not gonna tell you its wrong but I'm just saying why I don't think he's top 10, YET.</div> Yes, he is not top ten yet but he will be if he keeps up this pace his entire career, by the numbers anyway. Chris Paul does not need to single handily lead the Hornets to the second round/further. The Hornets have talent but their players are injured right now the second and third option on the team are out. This is discussing a players place in history, no one is saying as of right now CP3 is definitely going to be top 10 all time, but simply if he continues at this rate. Of course it's something subject to change depending what course his career takes in the future, but strictly going off these numbers he is on pace to be that good in the future. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting WildHundreds113:</div><div class="quote_post"> Magic Johnson John Stockton Thomas JasonKidd Dennis Johnson Kevin johnson Penny Hardaway</div> Penny Hardaway!?!?
This is a kind of silly argument to get so worked up about not even two years into Paul's career. He is good, and he'll likely continue to be good. Isn't that enough for the time being?
<div class="quote_poster">Trench Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You read it the way you want to read it. Read it clearly. Its in plan english. At the end of his career. What don't you understand with that statement? Please show me in my posts where I was going way ahead of myself. Please tell me how Im insulting anyone in my posts? If Chris Paul continues to play the way he is, he will surpass other Point Guards. I never once mentioned or pointed fingers to any point guard he would dethrone from the TOP 10 list. I never once said he'll be better than any particular player. All I said was that by the end of his career, CP will be a top ten point guard and he was something special. You made it seem like I was insulting other players for that remark. What is so insulting by it? I dont see anyone else complaining about my comments I made besides you. BTW, NARCISSITIC means thinking highly of yourself and being conceited. Im doing neither. Im praising another person not myself in anyway. You need to check your spelling and your English and you need to check yourself with calling people morons on this board. I wont stoop to your level with insults and as a warning, calling moderators morons can get you into trouble. Please be more considerate the next time you post. Thanks.</div> You won't stoop to my level? You're right, you'll go much, much lower than that by abusing your "authority position" after insulting my intelligence! Riddle me this... You're in high school, aren't you? Also, you were being narcissistic because you didn't even consider that my opinion might have validity, you simply dismissed it and insulted my intelligence, before I called you a moron. Now you're narcissistic AND hypocritical. Oh, and for the record, Chris Paul is my favorite non-Magic player. I know what I'm talking about.
If you have a problem with how Trench handled the situation, PM it to him, don't deal with it over open threads. Thank you, TBM
<div class="quote_poster">Chuck Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">A) You insulted my intelligence before I retaliated. Abusing mod powers is lower than retaliatory name-calling. C) Respect is not freely given; it is earned. D) You were exhibiting narcissism. By the way, narcissistic is the correct spelling. You dismissed my opinion and acted like I was an illiterate, because I strongly disagreed with your opinion. You didn't even consider that, hey, maybe my opinion has some validity. That is narcissism. Then, you continued this in spite of the fact multiple people in this thread disagree with you. </div> Issuing an infraction for violating terms and conditions of site use is not an abuse of power FYI. If you break said terms and conditions, you will be issued an infraction...thats not abuse...thats the way things work around here That aside, at JBB we promote respect for fellow members. If you are unable to just give common respect to other forum members without them having to "earn it" by proving themselfs to you, then maybe this isnt the board for you.
<div class="quote_poster">GameFace Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Penny Hardaway!?!?</div> Im pretty curious to know why his name appeared on this list as well.
Penny's second year stat line running the point for the magic. 21ppg, 4.5rpg, 7.2 apg. and he could finish strong at the basket. height advantage. before injury penny was a top pg. Penny got more love then paul gets now and the league was still loaded. If you dont remember the squad penny anderson scott grant shaq
<div class="quote_poster">WildHundreds113 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Penny's second year stat line running the point for the magic. 21ppg, 4.5rpg, 7.2 apg. and he could finish strong at the basket. height advantage. before injury penny was a top pg. Penny got more love then paul gets now and the league was still loaded. If you dont remember the squad penny anderson scott grant shaq</div> His first four years in the league were as good as any body's but he is not top ten all time. His injury ruined his career.
<div class="quote_poster">WildHundreds113 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Penny's second year stat line running the point for the magic. 21ppg, 4.5rpg, 7.2 apg. and he could finish strong at the basket. height advantage. before injury penny was a top pg. Penny got more love then paul gets now and the league was still loaded. If you dont remember the squad penny anderson scott grant shaq</div> believe me, I followed that Orlando team very closely. I cheered for them in the finals when they played Houston. The infamous missed FT's by Anderson will live in my memory forever. I really liked Penny, but that injury bug really shorted his career. He was never the same and I dont think he warrants a top 10 spot on the point guard list. You must also realize that the talent that surrounded him made him look pretty good as well. Anderson and Scott burying those threes, Shaq in the middle (still young and hungry), and Horace collecting those offensive boards. It made his job alot easier. Just throw up the lob pass and Shaq would dunk it. GOOD TIMES. 1995 was a great year for Orlando. If they had won that title, I think Shaq would have been a Magic player much longer.
<div class="quote_poster">WildHundreds113 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Magic Johnson John Stockton Thomas JasonKidd Dennis Johnson Kevin johnson Penny Hardaway He hasent cracked this list yet but hes got potential. Evry PG is good in their own way. Youve got defensive, offensive, and scoring PG's. Just because a guy can score a bunch or pass a bunch doesnt make him better then another great pg. But my top 2 are Stockton and Magic. there are other PG's better than Paul but those are the ones that came to my mind. But paul is only a second year player hes not the G.O.A.T. or even close to it. Lets give him time to become who he will become. Magic is #1 and I dont see anyone being better than him. But he may eventually become top 5.</div> thats who I'M talking about
<div class="quote_poster">AKIRA Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">In no particular order, these are the top point gaurds of all time stockton magic kidd cousy west payton isiah iverson frazier oscar robinson i dont think that paul is going to fit in this category, any of these guys are far too good to be taken out of the top ten, unless paul racks up more points and assists then frazier, or becomes more of a defensive god then payton, then i dont see how anyone could consider him top ten.</div> no love for nash i guess
