CIA: Russia influenced the election

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  1. Denny Crane

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    The joint report is at this URL:

    http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312132-fbi-dhs-release-report-on-russia-hacking

    I call bullshit. I don't see any actual link between the Russian government and the hacking in this report.

    I read the whole thing. Stuff like this is an utter embarrassment for us.

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    "likely."

    Not "for certain."

    The hacking methods are typical of all sorts of hackers, not necessarily Russia. And it's not guaranteed that hacks coming from Russia aren't from private sector high school kids who do this thing as a hobby.

    That is, if they can even trace the origin to Russia. I mean, we all have heard of proxies and vpns, right? Those are devices that allow people to access all the internet anonymously and untraceably.

    Many systems and personal computers are hacked without the owner/user knowing it. Any hacker worth his salt would be using some PC on roadrunner.net (or whatever) to launch any risky attacks (like on the government).

    Absolutely no evidence that it actually was Russian operatives was in this report. If they somehow traced the actual traffic back to the Russian government, they showed zero proof of that and presented nothing along those lines.

    Hackers often congregate in chat rooms or message boards. It's quite reasonable that our government infiltrated those. But you can't trust what anyone says in there, they are all criminal element, you know.
     
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    This is embarrassing. All I see is some one release some truthful information about some democrats that probably would rather we people did not know.
    This is hardly a thing for the United States to make a big fuss over. If a foreign power actually did something intended to harm the US, then I would favor refrain from whining about it and
    retaliate in and appropriate manner without sounding the injured child cry.
     
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    Nothing new though, Obama has be an embarrassment since he began his first apology and uttered his first whine. It just confirms he has learned nothing and will continue being an embarrassment through to his last day.
     
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    So, Watergate was an attempt to steal information from a political party. Apparently in your view not anything to make a big fuss over. I mean it was just information they were seeking.
     
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    How did you make this leap?

    Well what ever.
    A crooked president got caught and paid the price.
     
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    The best thing about the "hacks" as they like to crudely put them is, the entire fact that it exposed the DNC and the Hillary campaign (among others) as being entirely corrupt, somewhat racist, elitist and allowing the people who took the time to read the data from Wikileaks, to view the Dem's for who they truly are at that level, scumbags.
     
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    Watergate was not an attempt to steal information from a political party. It was a smoke screen to distract from the burglary of Daniel Elsburg's psychiatrist's office.

    Oddly, Elsburg was the wikileaks of his day.

    What WikiLeaks released showed that the DNC operated much like Nixon did. Evil stuff. Right down to controlling who the candidates were.
     
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    Why make a fuss over attempts to break into a doctor's office? Just trying to find the truth.
     
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    Reading that whole thing: Trump not only has to please Russia, he has to please prominent Reps in Congress and Senate. He has to know that they'd prefer to have Pence and they really could impeach him. Now, he can bet that they're scared to go against a candidate who could actually win the Presidential Election, unlike their no-hopers, but if they impeach him fast, they've got 4 years for the populace to get used to President Pence. And if nec. they can start a war because that'll rally the faithful. So: force through medicare "reforms" that Ryan wants? It'll be interesting.
     
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    Why make a fuss over foreign powers spying on us?

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...obe-into-alleged-u-s-hacking-of-merkels-phone

    "On 4 June last year Mr Range said "sufficient factual evidence exists that unknown members of the US intelligence services spied on the mobile phone of Chancellor Angela Merkel".

    "But in December he revealed that the investigation was not going well and he had not obtained enough evidence to succeed in court. A statement from Mr Range's office on Friday said 'the accusation cannot be proven in a legally sound way under criminal law.'

    "It said 'the vague statements by US officials about possible surveillance of the chancellor's mobile telecommunication by a US intelligence service — "not any more" — are not enough to describe what happened."
     
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    Your candidate would be bombing Russia soon.

    Pass.
     
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    Oh Denny. You're adorable.

    Heard a guy on the radio who's an expert on Russia, and the people over there are kind of laughing at the idea that Putin is some mastermind. He's actually a lot like Trump. He was worried what would happen if they ever got in a room together - they're both such conceited assholes that this guy thought that the bromance would be over pretty damn quick and that Trump would be pretty likely to stir up shit with Russia. I think that's underestimating how much the Russkies have Trump over a barrel.
     
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    Funny how all Trump's "anti-globalist" fans suddenly don't have a problem with being controlled by a foreign power.
     

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