'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich **UPDATED*

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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    It's "Colombian", and rumors like this are bullshit on this or any board.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    There is something weird about Colt this season. I'm not going to pretend like I know anything at all, but he just seems.... different. If Mundt plays like he did on Saturday, I don't think Colt is going to find much time.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    The controversy was created by the rookie head coach when he used 'circumstances' to not just Quick but everyone that covers the Ducks. Now if they have a program policy in place when it comes to the type of information that will be divulged to the media about the players. This player didn't know it. And if he did know it. Than he ought to have his hand slapped. But Colt by all accounts clearly didn't know. Or else why act out.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    Are you kidding? The Ducks haven't commented on injuries for years. Everyone knows it. This isn't a new policy. They don't say if a player is out, why he's out, or how long he'll be out. Colt knows this. Quick knows this. Who cares what word the coach used? It all means the same thing.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    Then he ought to sit another week.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    Maybe he should. He knows the policy and he shouldn't be talking to the press about it.
     
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    Quick is still a douchebag... no way! Guess how much the program cares what a well known douchebag thinks? FERPA laws do not permit coaches to talk about injuries without the players prior consent. Coaches are also not allowed to disclose an illness without the players consent. Should Helfrich have stopped the interview and called up Colt asking for permission so he could expand on the details of why he was held out, or maybe should reporters be expected to know the rules that affect their profession before going with knee jerk innuendo?

    reading the OP, it only took a few lines to recognize the stink. Funny how even without a name attached how clear a person's writing style is...

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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    before we all jump on the "Mundt is God, Colt should sit" bandwagon... sure Mundt had an excellent game receiving (Colt probably would have too, sometimes the game just dictates who you check down to, and the D decided to try and take away everyone else but Mundt) But there were some run plays where Colt was severely missed. The edges werent sealed off and w/o DAT's speed its a 3/4 yard loss.

    This isnt to take away from Mundt, congrats on his debut. But he is in no way ready to supplant a player of Colt's caliber in the starting lineup, or on a regular basis.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    Yeah, non-story. Helfrich could probably have been just a little less vague. Colt probably should just keep his trap shut. Quick wants to save face and shift blame after jumping to conclusions (again). Now everyone will just move on until the next minor detail gets blown way out of proportion.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    I retract my statement that Colt has a substance problem. I have not been on his drug tests or lack there of. I will only say too many stories have been swirling about Colt and his extra curricular activities for the last 2 years from the student body. That said it was BUSH league of me to make such an ass umption. Time will tell if these thoughts have any worth.

    On a side note I think it's interesting that Pharaoh Brown wasn't in, is his injury more than what is being reported, and what of Dwayne Stanford?
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    It's not so much that I think Mundt should take his place, just that I've been wondering why Colt hasn't had more of an impact in the first two games. I thought it was because the Ducks weren't throwing to him, but in comes Mundt and he puts up big numbers, so what's the deal?

    Why do you think Colt has so few receptions when he plays? It's almost like the Ducks use him as a fullback and not a TE.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    I disagree on the impact. IMO Colt has had a HUGE impact. Coaches may feel he is needed more to help with the running game. As I mentioned watch Tennesee blow up some running plays on the edge, because Lyerla's blocking wasnt there. There is a WR consistency (so far) that there hasnt been since 2010, so it may be that he is better served helping a run game that is less proven than in the past.

    Thats what I was alluding to in my post. Sometimes the game just dictates that. When someone is that Big and Talented, and Athletic, Colt is going to garner a lot more attention than a true Freshman making a debut who you have no College Film on.

    Ed Dickson was the same way, he'd garner a ton of attention and game plan so you go elsewhere because a Coach's job, and QB's job is to win, whatever way that may be. Then Dickson would EXPLODE in his game vs Cal, when opposing teams would choose to take other options away then "come back to earth" stats wise when teams realize that they have to attempt to take him out of the equation as well.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    Colt is the most NFL ready TE I've seen since Heath Miller and Zach Ertz. This kid is a load to bring down and his YAC is what 8-10 yards a play? It's troubling he wasn't used way more against Stanford last year. We would have been national champs if they had! If you have a weapon like this and you don't use it, the obvious question becomes why? It's certainly not his performance on the field.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    Also further re: Mundt getting those catches. Its also a matter of a coach putting his player in the best position to succeed IMO. As opposed to just trying to jam a square peg into a round hole. Mundt obviously isnt anywhere near physically mature as Colt, let alone at the same level Colt was at his age.. so blocking might not be a strong point of Mundt's yet. So why leave him back there like Colt to fail?
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    Sorry, I should have clarified. I wasn't saying that he doesn't have any impact, I was saying I was confused by his lack of impact in the throwing game. He has very few receptions, and a lot of that is simply from a lack of being thrown to. My point was that I didn't understand why Mundt could come in and have a huge game through the air, and Colt gets maybe 2-3 throws a game.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    That to me is answered with Tennessee choosing to Make a True FR in his Debut beat you, instead of Huff, Addison, DAT, Lowe, Hawkins, Marshall, and any other weapons in UO's arsenal.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    How about we go with a 2 TE-set? Mundt and Lyerla would form a lethal duo.

    And I think Helfrich and Colt will have a nice private sit down and soon, all water under the bridge.
     
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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    I get what you're saying, but what I've never understood is how Colt can be this awesome prospect, NFL ready, and only get a couple passes thrown to him every game. If I was Colt, I would be extremely frustrated.
     
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    hopefully he (and everyone else on the team) is more focused on team goals then the individual stats/goals that you seem to emphasize.

    You expressed doubts that Dion Jordan could be such an awesome prospect with so relatively few sacks and not dominating the game the way that you felt a top prospect should, and yet he ultimately was drafted #3. Perhaps you don't have the best idea of what NFL GMs/scouts are looking for?

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    Re: 'Circumstances' of Colt Lyerla absence results in a loss for Mark Helfrich

    These guys are ultimately hoping to get into the NFL, no? If we have someone that is supposed to be an amazing TE, pro prospect, shouldn't he be dominating at the college level?

    I did have doubts about Jordan. How is it that a guy like Clowney can completely dominate in college, but Jordan was very ho-hum?

    This is an internet forum. It's where people go to express opinions and ideas. When have I ever claimed to be an expert on college football? I enjoy watching football. I like to post my thoughts and discuss the Ducks. Why do you have to be such a critical person of others who have differing opinions from yourself? It's really quite disrespectful. You get so annoyed when anyone has even a somewhat negative view of the team.
     
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