CJ McCollum is Jamal Crawford

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  1. Propagandist

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    Is this the place to point out that "I told you so" is akin to "please validate me"? Who gives a shite. Furthermore, the CJ/Dame pairing has been perplexing the fan base since draft day 2013; you ain't alone...

    Maybe I'm being too rude. Sorry. Let me rephrase: Neat-o.
     
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    one man's rude is another man's truth? 'Rude' seems like an eye of the beholder thing...kind of a coin toss

    for instance, 50% of my household thinks my wife is rude; the other 50% thinks I need adult supervision...apparently
     
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    No way. Like Felton, Crawford was a quitter. He didn't like the coach and therefor quit on the team. You could tell he went into games wanting us to lose. He was part of that epic blowout by New York in a game against us. He was also much taller than CJ.

    I couldn't compare Crawford to CJ in a million years.
     
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    There is a little bit of hindsight at play here. Oladipo had a pretty sub-par year for OKC. He had signed a big extension on his rookie deal (not quite as much as CJ but close). He hadn't done much with his opportunity to lead a team when with Orlando. During that summer Oladipo was thought of as about to be overpaid and about on the level CJ is now. Sabonis was pretty bad his rookie year. He played in 81 games at just over 20 minutes a game (so not a small sample size) and he shot under 40% from the field (which is awful for a PF/C) and had a TS% of 46.9%. His TRB% was awful too. Some (most?) of that for both players you can attribute to the stat chasing of Westbrook but c'mon man you can't honestly sit here and pretend like Oladipo and Sabonis had that much value that summer.
     
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    I didn't argue that. I did say I didn't really know what value Indiana placed on Oladipo and Sabonis

    maybe CJ would have had better value than Oladipo, but I do know that Indiana's front office really seems to value defense but who knows if CJ's recent season would have trumped that. It wasn't going to trump the inclusion of Sabonis who was the 11th pick a year before and still had 3 years left on his rookie deal

    but I'm not sure what it is you are arguing here?

    my main point was that it's entirely possible that Olshey's man-love for CJ cost Portland a chance at PG13; and maybe Butler and Kawhi. Can't know for sure obviously but there are plenty of tea leaves floating in open sight. My other point was that if Portland is holding out on trading CJ until they get offered a player like PG13 they will be waiting a damn long time
     
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    Like I would be pining for validation from someone with your attitude? Feel free to browse through my posting history and analyze my track record on player and fit evaluation... I don't feel the need for external approval. So no, your equivalency is false.

    Really, that's a new one to me? I remember most people loving the pairing, especially with CJ in the combo guard role off the bench behind Wes.
     
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    Collins was the 10th pick and has 2.5 years left on his deal. CJ still has Oladipo pre-Indiana value. That is my point and the point of the post you were responding to.
     
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    I can tell you unequivocally that CJ McCollum is NOT Jamal Crawford. They are separate distinct individuals.
     
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    Exactly.

    Pritchard was universally berated for making that trade. Revisionist history to think otherwise.
     
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    ok then...I missed what you were getting at, sorry about that

    CJ + Zach? sure Portland would need to get a good return for that. But I don't see any players in the circumstance PG13 was in 19 months ago, and who are as good as PG13

    but again, it seems pretty clear Olshey wasn't offering a package like that then, and considering CJ and Zach are likely Olshey's two favorite players, I'm confident he wouldn't consider trading them now. Maybe he surprises me...after all, reports are he's being "aggressive"
     
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    lol...Quick went on record to say that Oladipo was not a good player. I remember it. So of course he'd think Portland's "offer" was better.
     
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    Everyone did. Except apparently you when you saw this Oladipo MIP, all NBA season coming.
     
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    I never said anything of the sort. (I did think Oladipo was underrated, but I value perimeter defense)

    what I did say, a couple of times, was that I did not know what value Indiana placed on Oladipo/Sabonis. After all, they were the ones that made that trade...or was it another team? They did make the trade....isn't it entirely possible they were evaluating the two players they got differently than the pundits who "trashed the trade"? And isn't it possible they thought getting those two players and NOT going thru another 6-8 months of the circus surrounding PG13 leaving Indiana had good value?

    You are the one that seems to 'know' what Indiana's front office was thinking. Indiana looks pretty smart now, but I guess it fits your narrative better to suggest they were really stupid then and just lucky now. I mean, after all, they turned down an offer of maybe Harkless, maybe not, so sure, they missed an opportunity according to Quick....:smiley-195517897341.(and LOL at using Quick as your expert witness by the way)
     
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    Was that because of the donut sticking out of his mouth?
     
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    We had a different definition of sloppy seconds when I was in college and it was nasty.
     
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    Yeah, you were the only one. Great detective work.
     
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    A little stat for you McCollum detractors

    The #Blazers have a NRtg of +4.7 with CJ McCollum on the floor this year, his best mark since he started playing starter minutes. They're 10.1 points per 100 better with him on the floor than on the bench

    per Casey Holdahl from Basketball Reference stats
     
  19. PtldPlatypus

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    And he plays over 90% of his minutes this season with Dame, as contrasted with about 65% the past three years prior. His net rating and on/off court figures improved solely because he's playing more with Dame (numbers also from basketball-reference).

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    So playing with better players isn't a good thing?
     

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