OT Cleveland Indians vs. Chicago Cubs series thread..

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  1. julius

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    again, you're just showing you don't know what caricature means.
     
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    When Columbus got here, he thought he was in India, and therefore he called the natives Indians. He wasn't in india, they arent therefore Indians. Though, technically Indian means native, so it's not totally off base. However, Native Americans ( as is the politically correct term) feel the word Indian is derogratory, and too their credit it was used that way back in the day a lot. Therefore yes, it is racist.
    What Native Americans find more offensive is the logo, Chief Wahoo, a cartoon caricature that is stereotypical and demeaning. It's big toothy grin and long pointy nose, spits at the Native American people, casting them as lowely and unintelligent.

    Washington's team name is a racial slur, but at least their logo presents the Native American people as proud warriors.
     
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    "a picture, description, or imitation of a person or thing in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect."

    I think you don't know what caricature means. Explain to me how the Vikings logo isn't a caricature of a Viking.
     
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    How exactly is this not a caricature?

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    Were all vikings a bunch of blonde white guys with huge horns on their helmets? It's a stereotype of a historically significant culture that has relevance to that area.
     
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    So out of curiosity, how many generations of my family need to live in America before we're officially considered "Native Americans?"

    Because historically even the "native" peoples of North America are thought to have migrated here, and since "native" means "a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth" and indigenous means "originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native." I'm having a hard time seeing how "Native Americans" can realistically be used to describe the descendants of many nations of peoples who lived here when the colonists came over.
     
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    Caricature:

    a picture, description, or imitation of a person or thing in which certain striking characteristics are exaggerated in order to create a comic or grotesque effect.

    What part of the Vikings logo is done for comic or grotesque effect?

    You're honestly telling me that you think the picture of a viking is the same as Chief Wahoo?

    If the only thing you have fault with the Vikings logo is the horns...and yes, most if not all vikings were white, and the vast majority of them had blond (or in this case, yellow) hair.

    Most, if not Indians do not and never did, look like Chief Wahoo. It's no different then the propaganda posters of WW2

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    Just stop.
     
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    You seem to forget, or block out, the words "IN ORDER TO CREATE A" right before "Comic or grotesque effect".
     
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    So you're telling me, that you don't think native Americans ever had big noses, or smile, or ever put feathers in their hair? The hypocrisy is unreal here.

    But you think the Vikings logo is just spot on?
     
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    So you seriously don't find any problem with some of the ridiculous PC terms that have been used in the last few decades?

    African American
    Native American

    They're stupid. I totally understand why we shouldn't use "Indian" or even "American Indian" but "Native American" is an inaccurate term for the current living ancestors of the natives that lived here hundreds of years ago. You were born in the United States, yes? You are native to North America. You are a native American. Similarly, there are white people who have relatives in Africa, which makes them... you guessed it.... African American.
     
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    and you're telling me that Japanese people didn't wear glasses and Jews don't handle money at one time!?


    THE INJUSTICE!
     
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    Oh god, poor white people just get to be called "Americans". The humanity!
     
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    That's not what I'm saying. They're all obviously caricatures, you're just in denial about the white ones.
     
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    Seriously? I'm shaking my head right now. Have some respect, as you would, or at least should for all other races. They are Native Americans because they were here before we got here, and stole there land and cattle and raped their women. That shit is what Cleveland's team name and logo represent, not the true nature of a great people.
     
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    Or we're all just Americans, because we all come from different backgrounds and we don't need to single out every single difference? :dunno:
     
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    They aren't done for comedic effect or to emphasize negative stereo types.
     
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    says the guy who is of the group that has historically gotten to decide who is and isn't an American. So magnanimous of you to say we don't need to single out every difference anymore.
     
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    Well shit man, the Vikings stole and raped and murdered all up and down Europe. They were prolific pirates in their time. Why doesn't anyone care that there are sports teams with names like Pittsburgh Pirates, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, or Minnesota Vikings?
     
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    Do you have any clue about the history of Vikings? So the white caricatures aren't done for comedic effect, nor do they emphasize negative stereotypes? Really? It's not a stereotype that white people invade, rape, pillage, and conquer? Like what the Vikings did? It's not a negative stereotype that Irish people get in fights a lot? The stupid little leprechaun isn't a comedic representation of Irish people?
     
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    You have to see the irony in one white guy telling another white guy that he doesn't get to have an opinion on the matter BECAUSE he's a white guy.
     

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