Climate change and wildfire in the Pacific Northwest

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    Republicans are being targeted by climate change, or something.
     
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    I get their argument. Apparently you don't.
     
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    PORTLAND, Ore. (KOIN 6) — With more than three months to go in this year’s fire season, Oregon has already spent $20 million, which has spurred Oregon Senator Ron Wyden to push for hundreds of millions more in national wildfire funding.

    Wyden spoke at a briefing in Portland Saturday, in which he offered solutions for how to deal with – and pay for – Oregon’s wildfire crisis.

    Wyden said his top priority is to convince lawmakers in Washington, D.C. to approve $615 million for prevention and firefighting efforts.

    “I don’t have to tell you these fires are bigger and stronger and more damaging,” said Wyden. He said he expects the bill, which would provide $615 million, to be through the Senate this week.
     
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    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/07/26/coolest-summer-on-record-in-the-us/

    Coolest Summer On Record In The US
    Posted on July 26, 2014 by stevengoddard

    The frequency of 90 degree days in the US has been plummeting for 80 years, and 2014 has had the lowest frequency of 90 degree days through July 23 on record. The only other year which came close was 1992, and that was due to dust in the atmosphere from Mt Pinatubo.

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    Water your lawn today?
     
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    Am I the only one who supports climate change? Portland is too damn cold.
     
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    That graph looks more like random noise then any sort of trend to me.
     
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    Yeah, they need to apply some tricks to give it a hockey stick look.
     
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    We are having a bit of a thunderstorm this morning. We rarely have thunderstorms here. Surely it's man made global warming!
     
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    Ok, I've got to rep that.

    lol

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    Looks like it going to be a rough year for wildfires in the NW. State of Emergency declared in Washington and Oregon
     
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    I wonder how much of that is a problem created by poor forest management, and how much is because of warming of the earth? (Not being snarky....I don't know, and don't know how one would figure it out conclusively.)

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    Harvesting forestry is a deterrent to massive wildfires. In 1988, most of the southern half of Yellowstone Park burned because that's what happens in nature, cyclically.

    Speaking of models...

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/02/booming/lessons-from-the-yellowstone-fires-of-1988.html?_r=0
     
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    I don't know which either. In fact in the debate of global warming, I don't think this year's wildfires is going to be proof of global warming (there is so much other reliable data to show there is global warming but understand many debate that evidence). So I'll go with poor forest management or maybe lack of funds. But apparently it is a bad yr in NW for forest fires with lots of damage. I guess it's just a start of wildfires season so hopefully it doesn't continue. So far, lots of homes destroyed . . . costly yr for NW

    This year's fire season started early, due to unusual heat and drought conditions, he said. It has already far outstripped the number of acres burned in an average year. In 2013, wildfires in Washington burned over 152,603 acres, according to the National Interagency Fire Center (NIFC). On Sunday, Washington's Carlton Complex Fire alone grew to nearly 300,000 acres.

    "It's a really rough start," Goldmark said.



    http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...fires-incinerates-homes-in-pacific-northwest/
     
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    It's hard to make sense out of the claims about the 'worst'. In 2002, the Biscuit Fire alone burned 500,000 acres.

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    "Above average" = panic mode and try to blame it on humans. If AGW were to blame, wouldn't there be a progression of these events steadily increasing each year?
     
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    That's why I'm not convinced that man has anything to do with it. It would seem to me that if their theory were correct, ever increasing levels of CO2 would result in ever increasing warming. From what I've seen/heard, temps have held pretty steady for over 10 years.

    I'm open to man playing a part, but I'm having a hard time buying in. The scientists have hidden data, and corrupted the initial data....leaves me shaking my head.

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    Humans obviously are adding CO2 to the atmosphere. What that means in terms of climate is unknown. CO2 0.04% of the atmosphere. I find it hard to believe that the fractional increase of CO2 by humans to the overall atmosphere is having devastating effects on the Earth. It defies credulity. If anything, it should mean plants are thriving, since extra precipitation has been blamed on AGW, too, along with droughts.
     
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    From that same article I posted before:

    This level of fire activity is consistent with what the Pacific Northwest may have to contend with more as climate change intensifies. The National Climate Assessment, released this year, stated that warmer and drier conditions have already increased the frequency and intensity of fires in Western forests since the 1970s.

    Under a scenario where emissions increase through 2050 and gradually decrease afterward, the assessment predicts that the median area burned each year in the Northwest could quadruple, reaching 2 million acres annually by the 2080s. However, this figure is expected to vary significantly depending on fuel conditions, it said.

    Severe fire conditions are also being felt in other regions of North America. Unusually warm and dry weather, also consistent with climate change, has spurred wildfires in well over 2 million acres of Canada's Northwest Territories
     

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