Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

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  1. Colonel Ronan

    Colonel Ronan Continue...?

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    I can paste huge articles too...

    Damn man, chill.
     
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  3. Denny Crane

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    Rather than post any of a number of articles about the email scandal today, I'll just ask the obvious questions.

    1) Is the strategy of the hoaxsters to now try and wait it out and hope people forget all about what these emails revealed?
    2) What is it going to take to get back to science's prime directive of following the evidence toward the truth, no matter where those results lead?
    3) Can anyone take these scientists seriously ever again?
    4) How can anyone bring up the "peer review" argument ever again, knowing that the review process is clearly rigged?
     
  4. Denny Crane

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    Articles from two consecutive days:

    Nov. 28 -
    Climategate: University of East Anglia U-turn in climate change row

    Leading British scientists at the University of East Anglia, who were accused of manipulating climate change data - dubbed Climategate - have agreed to publish their figures in full.

    Nov. 29 -
    Climate change data dumped

    SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

    It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
     
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    Thank you for posting!! Maybe now those Polar Bears will stop bitching about the heat wave!
     
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    First snow-free November in 162 years?

    Not really 160 years but I thought it was relevant to the discussion in this thread
     
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  8. Denny Crane

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/01/AR2009120102737_pf.html

    Climate scientist at center of e-mail controversy to step down
    By Juliet Eilperin
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Tuesday, December 1, 2009 3:45 PM

    A scientist who is one of the central figures in the controversy over hacked e-mails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit announced Tuesday that he is stepping down while the university investigates the incident.

    Climate skeptics have seized on several e-mails from Phil Jones, director of the university's Climatic Research Unit, to other researchers as evidence that prominent scientists have sought to silence their voice in the debate over global warming. The e-mails were pirated and posted online last month.

    "What is most important is that CRU continues its world leading research with as little interruption and diversion as possible," Jones said in a statement. "After a good deal of consideration I have decided that the best way to achieve this is by stepping aside from the Director's role during the course of the independent review and am grateful to the University for agreeing to this. The Review process will have my full support."

    East Anglia's Vice-Chancellor Professor Edward Acton said he had "accepted Professor Jones's offer to stand aside during this period. It is an important step to ensure that CRU can continue to operate normally and the independent review can conduct its work into the allegations."

    Action added the university will disclose details of the probe, including who will head it and how long it will last "within days."

    Marc Morano, who edits the climate skeptic blog, ClimateDepot.com, welcomed the news with an e-mail stating, "One Down: ClimateGate Scientist Phil Jones to temporarily step down... 'pending investigation into allegations that he overstated case for man-made climate change.'"
     
  9. bluefrog

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    My dad is a marine biologist and I asked him if he thought global warming theory is sound. He said there is probably more evidence for global warming than evolution but that carbon dioxide emission may not be the causes for the rise in temperature.

    He added that ocean acidification may be a bigger and more immediate problem than climate change.
     
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    Interesting. What are the primary causes for this acidification?

    I'm uneducated on the issue of climate change, but I really do wonder the impact humankind has on the overall climate. Are we the cause or are we just contributing? To what level are we contributing?:dunno:
     
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    Basically ocean acidification is caused by the CO2 in the atmosphere. The ocean absorbs it and it causes problems with algae, shellfish, coral, etc...
    here's a link
     
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    I think he'd be more worried about ocean crapification.

    At the rate at which developing (and developed) countries are dumping trash and waste into the sea, and the rate at which certain species of fish (mainly food mainstays) are depleting, it may not really matter if the ocean becomes over acidified.

    That being said, kudos to the U.S. where the regulated seafood harvesting, while still a little glitchy, seems to preserve the stockpile. Perhaps in 100 years we'll have a seafood monopoly!
     
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    You might want to tell him that the globe has been cooling for at least 10 years.

    So ... then what?
     
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    What you bolded is certainly true, and it is what I've believed for years.
     
  15. bluefrog

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    Where did you hear that? I just did a google and nothing relevant came back.

    Melting glaciers and polar ice caps would contradict a warming planet. I've read that climate change may be due to rises in CO2, regular climate cycles or increases in solar flares but nothing that outright states the planet is not warming.
     
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    Are you aware of the hacking of the Hadley CRU servers? The hacking that showed outright fraud and manipulation of data? Phil Jones just resigned over this. He'll be lucky if he isn't prosecuted in the UK.
     
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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/...ith-global-warming...-it-stopped-in-1998.html

    There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998

    For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).

    Yes, you did read that right. And also, yes, this eight-year period of temperature stasis did coincide with society's continued power station and SUV-inspired pumping of yet more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

    ...

    The essence of the issue is this. Climate changes naturally all the time, partly in predictable cycles, and partly in unpredictable shorter rhythms and rapid episodic shifts, some of the causes of which remain unknown. We are fortunate that our modern societies have developed during the last 10,000 years of benignly warm, interglacial climate. But for more than 90 per cent of the last two million years, the climate has been colder, and generally much colder, than today. The reality of the climate record is that a sudden natural cooling is far more to be feared, and will do infinitely more social and economic damage, than the late 20th century phase of gentle warming.
    ...
    Prof Bob Carter is a geologist at James Cook University, Queensland, engaged in paleoclimate research
     
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    I just did a google of global cooling and that came back with some good links. The sites weren't based on good science though. 2008 was still the 10th warmest on record so it's not accurate to say temperatures have been falling for 10 years.

    Denny's graph shows a dip in global temperatures in the past year but the trend is still toward a warming planet.
    From Nasa
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    James Hansen had to revise this data. It's bunk. Steve McIntire busted him on it.

    It's all a hoax. The data has been corrupted, and some of it even destroyed. The scientific scandal of the century, and our lame ass media here won't touch it.
     

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