Clues lead to Wizards as trade partner for Blazers

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  1. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Because they didn't know he was going to injure his knee again? :dunno:
     
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    teams take risks to a point. arenas is clearly past that point. if the wiz could move him for expiring it would have happened already.

    comparing arenas to billups is ludicrous. billups is owed 1/3 as much, he hasn't had major injuries in consecutive seasons, and he's also been a driving force on a perennial contender and won a championship.
     
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    If someway PA was out of his mind and would ok this trade the Wizards would jump at a chance to make that trade.
     
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  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    And Caron f'ing Butler.
     
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    you gotta take arenas if he's that cheap. low risk high reward for sure.
     
    ehizzy3, Feb 3, 2009
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    Low risk?

    Is that a joke?
     
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  7. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    You saw the part where Caron Butler is included in the deal, right? You know how good Caron Butler is, right? You realize what he would bring to this team, right?
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    Because they are all ridiculously favor the Blazers! Rarely, if ever, will you be able to trade scraps (and I use this term loosely) for an all-star. If you try passing these proposals off to fans of other teams, they would laugh in your face.

    Everyone else is assuming he can't play, I'm assuming he can. His injuries are bad, but it's not like he had MF or anything. Even if you believe he'll be trash after he comes back, then ok, I guess I can't really change your opinion, but only Washington would know the extent of his playing ability. So even if he couldn't play at the same level that he played at before, Washington wouldn't let any other team know, and they would be the team calling the shots and making demands, not Portland
     
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    You realize how much we'd paying Gilbert, right? You realize for how long, right? You realize he's hurt all the time, right? You realize we don't need Butler, right? You realize we don't need 5 allstars and can't pay them all, right?
     
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    I guess it's not your 111 million to lose in this economy.

    Plus Arenas isn't a PG but a combo guard. Bayless is twice the PG Arenas is and a better fit with our team. Sure I would love to have Butler as our SF but not taking a 111 million contract on a player that might not ever play again or at a lot lower ability if he did.
     
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    B-Roy If it takes months

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    I know you won't favor any trade that isn't heavily slanted towards our favor, so I'm done arguing with you. I'll be laughing when you pass up Bosh for LA+Raef.
     
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    Rice was saying on Courtside to expect a trade due to Bayless and Sergio now expecting minutes, and Blake coming back soonish. He wants someone who's a defensive stopper, or someone who's solid offensively and defensively (that's not generic at all...). The "type" of player he mentioned was Udoka, Andre Miller, and Kirk Hinrich.
     
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    Not really. Because of Raef's insurance policy. They only would have to pay 25% (Or something close to that if I remember correctly)
     
    Pinwheel1, Feb 3, 2009
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    This is all just wish-casting for another Pau Gasol trade. ;) Another bad team that might wish to shed salary despite not being a major free agent destination. Who knows? Bad teams are bad teams for a reason...they make bad decisions.

    I don't expect anything like these deals (including mine) to happen, but it's fun to imagine, I guess.
     
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    111 million.

    Yes.

    Yes.

    Wrong. Butler would fit great on this team. He can shoot, he plays good defense, and he fits in our age window.

    You realize we have Paul Allen, right?
     
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    rice just said a major trade is likely on courtside and sergio is prob on the move!!!!!!!!



    thank god....
     
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    I hope he's right...trades are fun (when you have faith in your GM).
     
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    I agree with this.

    What I DON'T agree with, is the other posters thinking that it's a good idea to trade Arenas and Butler for expirings. If the Wizards FO is dumb enough to do it though, then whatever, screw them.
     
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    <table class="tborder"><tbody><tr align="left"><td colspan="8" class="plain">

    </td></tr> <tr align="center" valign="top"> <td class="tcat" align="left">WASHINGTON</td> <td class="tcat">2008</td> <td class="tcat">2009</td> <td class="tcat">2010</td> <td class="tcat">2011</td> <td class="tcat">2012</td> <td class="tcat">2013</td> <td class="tcat" align="left">Notes</td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">GILBERT ARENAS
    SIN</td> <td class="alt1">$14,653,500
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$16,192,100
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$17,730,700
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$19,269,300
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$20,807,900
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$22,346,500
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1" align="left">6yr $111M contract </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">ANTAWN JAMISON
    EXT</td> <td class="alt2">$9,900,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$10,000,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$10,000,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$11,000,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2" align="left">4yr $50M extension in 7/1/08. </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">CARON BUTLER
    EXT</td> <td class="alt1">$8,999,980
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$9,780,970
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$10,562,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">Extension signed on 10/31/05 for $45M for 5 years </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">ETAN THOMAS
    MAT</td> <td class="alt2">$6,864,200
    <center> ET </center></td> <td class="alt2">$7,354,500
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2" align="left">Contract has trade kicker </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">MIKE JAMES
    MLE</td> <td class="alt1">$6,049,400
    <center> PO </center></td> <td class="alt1">$6,466,600
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">Acq 12/10/08 from Hornets. Signed 7/13/06 for $23.6M for 4 yrs </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">BRENDAN HAYWOOD
    EXT</td> <td class="alt2">$5,500,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$6,000,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2" align="left">
    </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">DARIUS SONGAILA
    MLE</td> <td class="alt1">$4,234,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$4,526,000
    <center> ET </center></td> <td class="alt1">$4,818,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">Signed 7/17/06 for an assumed $21,170,000 for 5 years </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">DESHAWN STEVENSON
    SIN</td> <td class="alt2">$3,699,810
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$4,051,370
    <center> PO </center></td> <td class="alt2">$4,402,940
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2" align="left">4 Yr, 15M </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">ANDRAY BLATCHE
    SIN</td> <td class="alt1">$2,739,670
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$3,000,000
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$3,260,330
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$3,520,660
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">Signed 8/17/07 to 5yr, $15M contract </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">OLESKSIY PECHEROV
    DR1</td> <td class="alt2">$1,446,720
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$1,547,640
    <center> TO </center></td> <td class="alt2">$2,380,270
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$3,377,600
    <center> QO </center></td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2" align="left">18th Pick 2006. Signed 7/6/07. </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">JAVALE MCGEE
    DR1</td> <td class="alt1">$1,392,240
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$1,496,640
    <center> TO </center></td> <td class="alt1">$1,601,040
    <center> TO </center></td> <td class="alt1">$2,462,400
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$3,494,140
    <center> QO </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">08 1st Rd #18 </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">NICK YOUNG
    DR1</td> <td class="alt2">$1,335,800
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$1,429,000
    <center> TO </center></td> <td class="alt2">$2,192,090
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$3,079,880
    <center> QO </center></td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2" align="left">from Orlando </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">JAVARIS CRITTENTON
    DR1</td> <td class="alt1">$1,151,300
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$1,231,600
    <center> TO </center></td> <td class="alt1">$1,896,660
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1">$2,704,640
    <center> QO </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">From Memphis for 1st Round pick 12/10/08 </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">DOMINIC MCGUIRE
    MIN</td> <td class="alt2">$797,581
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt2">$825,497
    <center> NG </center></td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2"> </td> <td class="alt2" align="left">
    </td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">JUAN DIXON
    MIN</td> <td class="alt1">$797,581
    <center> NG </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">
    </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"><th colspan="8" height="4">
    </th></tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2">Subtotals</td> <td class="alt2">$69,561,782</td> <td class="alt2">$73,901,917</td> <td class="alt2">$58,844,030</td> <td class="alt2">$45,414,480</td> <td class="alt2">$24,302,040</td> <td class="alt2">$22,346,500</td> <td class="alt2"> </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"><th colspan="8" height="4">
    </th></tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap" align="left">DEE BROWN (WV)
    MIN</td> <td class="alt1">$184,805
    <center> </center></td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1"> </td> <td class="alt1" align="left">
    </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"><th colspan="8" height="4">
    </th></tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2">Totals</td> <td class="alt2">$69,746,587</td> <td class="alt2">$73,901,917</td> <td class="alt2">$58,844,030</td> <td class="alt2">$45,414,480</td> <td class="alt2">$24,302,040</td> <td class="alt2">$22,346,500</td> <td class="alt2"> </td> </tr> <tr valign="top"><th colspan="8" height="4">
    </th></tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1">Salary Cap</td> <td class="alt1">$58,680,000</td> <td class="alt1">$61,027,200</td> <td class="alt1">$63,468,288</td> <td class="alt1">$66,007,019</td> <td class="alt1">$68,647,299</td> <td class="alt1">$71,393,190</td> <td class="alt1" align="left">Estimated cap grows by 4% yearly</td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt1">Cap Space</td> <td class="alt1">$-11,066,587</td> <td class="alt1">$-12,874,717</td> <td class="alt1">$4,624,258</td> <td class="alt1">$20,592,539</td> <td class="alt1">$44,345,259</td> <td class="alt1">$49,046,690</td> <td class="alt1" align="left">Negative number means over the cap</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"><th colspan="8" height="4">
    </th></tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap">Luxury Tax Threshold</td> <td class="alt2">$71,150,000</td> <td class="alt2">$73,996,000</td> <td class="alt2">$76,955,840</td> <td class="alt2">$80,034,073</td> <td class="alt2">$83,235,435</td> <td class="alt2">$86,564,852</td> <td class="alt2" align="left">Estimated luxury tax threshold grows by 4% yearly</td> </tr> <tr align="right" valign="top"> <td class="alt2">LT Space</td> <td class="alt2">$1,403,413</td> <td class="alt2">$94,083</td> <td class="alt2">$18,111,810</td> <td class="alt2">$34,619,593</td> <td class="alt2">$58,933,395</td> <td class="alt2">$64,218,352</td> <td class="alt2" align="left">Negative number means over the tax threshold</td> </tr> <tr valign="top"><td class="plain" colspan="8"> </td></tr> </tbody></table>
    <center>SportsTwo would like to thank Storyteller for providing us with his salary data!</center>
     
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    if he mentioned those names ik iggy udoka and kirk...its not them. bulls deal aint going down.


    ding ding ding ding


    its the wizzys
     
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