Clutchfans: With the moves, are the Rockets a better team than the Blazers?

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  1. Mediocre Man

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    I think it's foolish for all of you to think the Rockets haven't improved tremendously this off season.
     
  2. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I guess I'm in the minority in thinking that they have a point. I felt Portland fortunate top win last year. Fortunate that McHale took so long to realize that Jones couldn't handle Aldridge. Fortunate that Harden couldn't hit a thing (yeah, Matthews' defense was good, but his performance was beyond bad). Fortunate that we matched up with a poor defensive team. I wouldn't count on any of those this year. I do think they are delusional if they don't see how the Blazers are better this year, but I can certainly understand how Rockets fans might believe they were the better team last year, and are significantly improved this year as well.
     
  3. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    The big question is, has Ariza, Smith and Brewer replaced the output of Lin, Asik and Parsons.
     
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    Boise Blazer Thread Lightly

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    I suspect that HCA will be a bigger factor this year if we meet in the playoffs.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    where the hell are you getting this info from? I call bullshit. LaMarcus has been at 240 something since he lost weight after gaining to 250. Show me a link that says LaMarcus weighs 270 pounds.....
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Nevermind I found it... facepalm
     
  7. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    We should compare the players to each other, or who has an advantage.

    PG:

    Beverly and Lillard.

    Beverly is a better 3 point shooter and rebounding (barely) but much worse at everything else.

    Advantage: Portland.

    SG: Matthews and Harden.

    Advantage: Houston

    SF: Batum vs Ariza

    Honestly, it's a draw. Batum is shooting somewhat crappy this year, but so is Ariza. In fact, Ariza is shooting much worse overall than Batum. Nic is at least shooting a respectable % from 2, and still is averaging 5 boards and 5 assists.

    PF: Aldridge vs Smith.

    Obvious advantage Portland. LaMarcus scores more, rebounds more, has a better defensive rating and is a bigger threat to take over games and not get waived by a team desperate for talent, even if it costs them 28+ million.

    C: Howard vs Lopez (when healthy) or Freeland.

    Duh.

    Bench:

    Blake, Kaman, Crabbe, Freeland Vs Brewer, Montebunchofletters, and maybe one more.

    Honestly, it's a draw.

    So all in all, I think it's probably a draw with a slight edge to Portland because they don't have to introduce two players into their system, McHale still is a so-so coach, and their best players (Howard, Harden and Smith) all have a reputation for being unable to lead teams or be clutch.

    For such a superstar, Harden is shooting an attrocious % from the floor, and still finds ways to Russell Westbrook it up. Howard can't shoot free throws to save his life AND still (after 10 years in the league) doesn't have a go to move offensively, and Smith is a bit of a knucklehead.

    Could they beat Portland in a playoff series? Sure, but they could also lose in a playoff series to Portland. As of right now, there is no clear cut favorite in the playoffs, and it's way too soon to really make a declaration for odds on favorite, or prognosticate about how the Mavs or Rockets will evolve with their new players.

    To me, personally, the Mavs and Rockets went from "no realistic chance" to "better chance" at winning the west. Portland was in the "better chance" group to begin with.
     
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    Both teams improved and it'll be a more competitive series when they meet in the playoffs.
     
  9. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    They did until they made moves this mid-season.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    The argument for Harden's post season woes wasn't just with the Blazers. The season before, he was terrible against OKC. The reality is the refs allow players to be more physical. Harden doesn't get the free gimmie FTs like he does during the regular season.

    The fans can be as confident as they want to be, as long as our team takes them seriously. So far, Portland out worked and out coached Houston. I don't see Houston being better coached as long as McHale is running that team.

    But the greater advantage has been our defense. Houston's defense is a scramble and steal the ball type, which isn't as efficient during the post season. Our defense is truly a fundamental defense that limits quality shots. I take that as an advantage as well.
     
  11. BBert

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    Likewise I think the refs will let Smith go all Patrick Beverly on Aldridge and Smith's athleticism will allow him to stick to Aldridge away from the basket.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    I think that's where Stotts must figure out ways to force Aldridge inside. Batum's shot must come back by the time playoffs roll around because he's usually the guy that passes to Aldridge on the block.
     
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    Coaching matters in the playoffs and I like our coach. Aldridge has a quiver full of weapons and so does our team. I remain optimistic. :)

    :cheers:
     
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    I agree and I'm hoping Aldridge gets pissed in every series. When he's mad, LaMonster comes out in a big way.
     
  15. BBert

    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    LOL both our stars respond well to being disrespected. I bet Matthews does too. :)
     
  16. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    players that depend on their athletic ability (Howard and Smith) don't tend to win titles.

    Harden doesn't necessarily rely on his athletic skill (in that flopping doesn't take athletic skill) to score.

    LaMarcus and Damian don't rely on their athletic skill to over power/score against their opponents. I'll take the smarter player over the athletic one every day of the week.

    I'd also take whatever the hell LeBron James is too. :)
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Haven't you heard?! Cleveland will trade us LBJ for Lopez and Batum! :P
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    pass.

    signed,

    Blazerwookee
     
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    BBert Weasels Ripped My Flesh

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    !LOL
     
  20. BlayZa

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    i kinda see the 2 fanbases as 2 peas in a pod tbh.

    we both have similar skilled teams, records etc and the same strain of rose-tinted die hard optimism no matter whatness... and often in overboard quantity. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but we just don't seem 'that' different. For example the first thing i thought about those quotes were that given another scenario, they could easily be lifted from this forum about the Blazers :P
     

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