OT Coaching changes around the NBA

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  1. CupWizier

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    Sounds like you are the one making excuses. My post was factual. Also hoopsjock explained in great detail why the Philly process was an anomaly and virtually impossible to duplicate.
     
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    your user name has Boston stamped all over it...
     
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    I don't think anyone will follow him to his grave and I hate how he thinks fans are stupid but I also believe he's done a lot of good things as GM and that should at least give him a chance to see things through in my opinion. Just because some people think we are forever stuck in purgatory doesn't mean we have to be. The GM position needs to be stable in my opinion. Olshey has spent 6 years now molding relationships with agents and other teams and it's time for that to start payimg dividends. Of course if someone sucks at their job they don't deserve to stay but I think a lot of teams would covet a GM with his proven track record.

    An example of how he can still make things right is the Allen Crabbe signing (which Paul Allen said was his own decision without hesitation). Looking back it would've been better to just let Crabbe walk. We had to take on future money for several years to get rid of him. However if the Blazers get something of value for that Trade Exception then there is still a chance the decision to keep Crabbe could turn worthwhile. If they just let the exception expire then they wssted an asset and deserve criticism for that. I'll reserve judgement on that decision until the exception expires.

    You know what the Blazers really needed in the playoffs? A forward that could handle the ball, make plays, and take pressure off of Dame and CJ. That was exactly what Evan Turner was supposed to provide. All is not completely lost though. After Duncan the Spurs haven't had a lottery pick since and still managed to find a ton of guys who helped in Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, and Kawhi Leonard. It's not impossible to keep progessing with small moves.

    You say you want to watch young players with potential but do you not believe in Zach Collins? He's a 20 year skilled big man. His game still needs some time but he's got all the skills to be a really good player. If he develops into an above average starter and we fired Olshey that would look kind of silly.

    The team took huge strides this year. Yeah the end was a fucking punch to the ball sack but no one believed this team would ever be good defensively with Dame and CJ yet they were im the top-10 this season. Olshey will get them some help this summer. I really wouldn't hate a CJ trade, I've actually propsed several on here, but I also think that back court can still do some major damage with a few upgrades around them.
     
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    No it didn't. The only improvements were 1) Ed Davis returned from injury and 2) the players and coaches got a little more accustomed to each other.

    Olshey didn't cause either of those. He could have disappeared on Nov. 1, and our season record would have been the same.
     
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    There is no precedent for a team stripping it down and having a contender 3-5 years after (except maybe Miami before they got Wade), however there's no precedent for a team Berri n in our position and contending for a championship 3-5 years later.
     
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    Damian Lillard...?
    Jusuf Nurkic...?
    Shabazz Napier...?
    Zach Collins...?
     
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    Going from one of the worst rated defenses of all-time for portions of last year to 7th best in the NBA is a HUGE stride. I went back to 1980 before getting bored and only two teams that won a title didn't have a top-10 defensive rating (1995 Rockets and 2001 Lakers). A lot of people thought the Blazers couldn't ever be a good defensive team with Dame and CJ on it and that was factually proven wrong this season.

    As for your ridiculous notion that Olshey had no bearing on the record after the season started he is the one solely responsible for every player being on the roster good and bad. Going into the season he would've made moves but they struggled out of the gate again and at the trade deadline it made more sense to duck the tax. Had the 13 game winning streak occurred prior to the trade deadline I believe they would have done things differently and maybe some of the buyout guys that Olshey DID offer would've come here instead. We'll never know though.
     
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    I think Evans would've been a Blazer if Portland wasn't a .500 club to start the year.
     
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    Yeah, for sure something like that. He would've helped a lot in the Pelicans series too.
     
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    The fact that he was still a Grizzly after the deadline seems to indicate otherwise. No team was willing to give up what Memphis wanted
     
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    A couple counter points.
    1) NO had several years as the Clippers GM before coming to Portland, so he's been 'developing' his relationships for much longer. One of the reasons we were given for his hiring was his relationship with agents. Has that helped at all to date? Not that I can tell.

    2) The Crabbe trade is not exactly a shinning example of 'being a good GM'. The clocks counting on that TPE. There's only 2 more months before it expires (which is 95% likely)

    3) Collins was a good choice, but one that I thought was obvious.

    4) the improvements made this year came at the expense of other areas of the team. As a whole, the team was not significantly better/worse from years past.
     
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    This is what happens when you stop following the G league....you completely forgot Wade Baldwin IV....the under the radar guy we got for a pack of chewing gum! He's the opposite of Allen Crabbe!
     
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    Godawful post.
    You either didn't read the posted I quoted.
    OR
    You assume your speculation is flawless and shouldn't ever be questioned.

    One poster speculated that if Portland didn't start so poorly. That Portland then would've made moves before the deadline to acquire players.
    I posted about a player who I believe would've been one of those acquired...
    Only for you to come in and say. NO FUCKING IDIOT, NO ONE WANTED TO GIVE UP WHAT MEMPHIS WAS ASKING.

    Jesus. Dude.
    Clearly it was a hypothetical scenario. Yet you seem to think otherwise.
    Just wow.
    Godawful post.

    This post you just made is why, there are only a handful of posters I bother to read on this forum anymore.
    How dare anyone type anything hypothetical...

    Edit - Before you start in on 'I wasn't speaking in hypothetical, I said a fact'.
    Again. In the scenario which the post I quoted had. It had Portland not being a .500 club to start the year. Which is what I was responding to.
    But I'm glad you to know you're against hypotheticals. You'd make a poor gm, as they deal in 'what if I offer this player' all the time.
     
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    1) It's impossible to know how much that has helped. How do we know he didn't contact George's agent and was told he wouldn't re-sign here under any circumstances so Olshey was unwilling to include CJ then? We don't know.

    2) I never said the Crabbe trade was an example of being a good GM. I said the trade was incomplete pending the usage of the TPE. Using it in the right situation could lead to Crabbe being matched the right thing to do. We'll see on this one. Like I said I will be upset if it expires unused.

    3) Collins was the obvious choice? Are you fucking kidding me? It pisses me off how the past is altered to prove a point. They made a trade to move up to get him. They could have stayed at 15 and 20 to take any number of guys that were on their radar such as John Collins, Patton (who was hurt most of this year), OG (started for the Raptors), etc. Moving up to 10 there was also Monk still on the board who was a top-8 pick in every single mock draft I saw and Mitchell who was shooting up draft boards. I'd venture to say most people thought the move up to Collins wasn't a great one.

    4) 41 wins to 49 wins. Lots of players got better. Defense jumped from the 20's to 7. 3rd seed versus 8th seed. Go ahead and discredit all that because of 4 games.
     
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    Dude. Relax...
    I completely understand the initial point you were trying to make.

    My post was just clarifing that your hypothetical aqusition of Evans had no basis in reality. Memphis was shopping him hard - but they never pulled the trigger on a trade.

    What makes you think Portland would have parted with sufficient enough assets to get Evans for 3 months?
     
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    This went from a coaching thread to another trade thread real quick
     
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    It amazes me how many threads go sideways or completely away from the original subject.
     
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    Seven pages is about average for a thread haha
     

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