Comparing Asik and Lopez

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  1. Blazer Fanatic

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    I know. I stand by my statement. lol ;)
     
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    No. You don't trade Lopez for Asik now. He's [Lopez] proving every game that Neil is brilliant!

    Damn....imagine had we been able to sign Hibbert.....
     
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    Why? It's really easy. Have you heard how he publicly demanded a trade? Shows selfishness, something that exposed him as a player. Lopez is a very unselfish player and really works well with Aldridge. Last thing we need is some fuck thinking he isn't getting the shots or playing time he thinks he deserves. Lopez is a team player. We are a team. Aldridge loves Lopez. Should I keep going?
     
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    If Lopez played so well that he could net you Asik straight up, that would only serve to further cement Olshey's brilliance.
     
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    Or maybe Lopez is just better than asik and olshey was brilliant for knowing that
     
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    You have to remember something though. It does help playing along side the best PF (Aldridge) in the NBA. Aldridge could just about make any center look good.
     
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    I don't think Asik gives a damn about getting shots. And I actually don't really have an issue with him demanding a trade. He know's he's a starting caliber C. His coaches and teammates know it. Everyone knows it. But the Rockets had the chance to nab the best C in the league and they rightfully took it. Trading Asik is inevitable and makes sense. I can't begrudge the guy for wanting out.
     
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    Do the math. If you're going to suggest this, show me the math.

    Who is Portland giving up?
    Why is Houston making that deal?
    How does it make Houston better?
    Who are the odd men out/waived on 15 man rosters on either team?

    Opportunity cost. Show me the math. I don't think you are a Homer, but explain why this works.
     
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    Well hopefully he finds a good eastern conference team that will massage his ego. I don't want no part of him here. Him and Turk can rub each other's sausages
     
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    Would have been sweet, but I think the Blazers got the next best option, even if they had to wait a year.
     
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    You clearly don't get it, do you?
     
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    Lopez is not a liability on offense. You can't leave him to double LMA. His baby hook is reliable as are his free throws.

    Asik has none of those strengths. He is a better rebounded and I would want him. But we need two big centers. Trading Lopez to get him does not accomplish that
     
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    They are both Turkish. Is it racist if I say I don't want any Turks on the team? :( Let's just call it a cultural gap.
     
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    God could you imagine if okc could be able to sag off our center to double Aldridge? Lopez made them pay badly tonight for sagging.
     
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    With the way the team is playing I don't see any trade happening during the season. The players are clearly buying into what Stotts has taught them. Even if we could clearly upgrade the talent the player coming in wouldn't be able to get up to speed on our teams concepts, rotations on defense, sets in offense. The players on the roster now have been working on that stuff for many months. With all the travel and back to back there isn't enough practice time for a new player to help this team.
     
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    If by math you mean Trade Machine stuff, trading Lopez, Leonard, and another cheap piece for Asik works. McCollum and Claver and Barton all work as the third piece.

    Houston makes the deal because they should be able to trade Asik (a great center playing a few minutes a game) for other pieces that provide more overall value to their team. The salary and talent on their team is currently distributed inefficiently; that should be easy enough for anyone to see. So yes, an Asik deal theoretically makes them better if they find the right one. It just depends what they are able to extract out of another team.

    Personally I have a BIG problem giving up McCollum because he's a potential star we haven't seen in action yet. If the Rockets can't dupe another one of the 28 teams into taking Asik, I would have to think McCollum and Lopez gets their attention. The argument for us giving up on the kid would be that we are already a contender without him. The Rockets gave up something young and shiny to get Harden: Jeremy Lamb and picks. Asik is no Harden, but you give up something young and shiny if you think it puts you over the top.

    I think if Houston doesn't get the value they are looking for and would have to "settle" for Lopez and players we don't particularly care about (such as Claver or Barton or, arguably, Leonard), I think that's a freaking no brainer.
     
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    Fair points. I like the idea of both of them, obviously. I've just been operating under the assumption that Lopez would be the first piece inserted into Asik trade talks, and then despite the give and take, it makes us better overall.
     
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    joel is in his second year and playing solid veteran like defense and offensive rebounding like a champ.

    lopez and joel are both playing their roles perfectly. we beat the pacers and okc. we dont need to raise the ceiling, we just need to continue to play there.

    not to mention aldridge likes them. the whole team likes eachother, now is not the time to fuck it up
     
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    I buy this too. Probably the best argument against pursuing Asik.
     
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    i wouldn't trade Robin Lopez for Brook Lopez right now, let alone Asik.
     

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