<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>uhm Hawk Bush has the best hands in the draft out of all the RB's and maybe even the WR's.. No one can say there's a RB with better hands than him in the draft because that would be a total lie at this point.</div> I dont know about that, i am sure there are lots of backs you havents seen play, correct? Lots of backs you dont know? Right?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>uhm Hawk Bush has the best hands in the draft out of all the RB's and maybe even the WR's.. No one can say there's a RB with better hands than him in the draft because that would be a total lie at this point.</div> I dont know about that, i am sure there are lots of backs you havents seen play, correct? Lots of backs you dont know? Right?</div> actually incorrect... The Draft is like Chirstmas mourning at my house to me.. I live for it.. Though I haven't seen the combine YET so yes there is a chance I'm wrong.. But from what I've seen and heard as of this moment Bush has better hands than most of the receivers in the draft.. unless he bombs out at the combine with drop balls which I highly doubt.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>uhm Hawk Bush has the best hands in the draft out of all the RB's and maybe even the WR's.. No one can say there's a RB with better hands than him in the draft because that would be a total lie at this point.</div> I dont know about that, i am sure there are lots of backs you havents seen play, correct? Lots of backs you dont know? Right?</div> actually incorrect... The Draft is like Chirstmas mourning at my house to me.. I live for it.. Though I haven't seen the combine YET so yes there is a chance I'm wrong.. But from what I've seen and heard as of this moment Bush has better hands than most of the receivers in the draft.. unless he bombs out at the combine with drop balls which I highly doubt.</div> You have seen the backs of all 117 1-A schools, and all the I-AA schools that declared, and all the backs at all of the II school? and III schools? I dnot care if it christmas morning, unless you are an NFL scout, you havent seen them all play enough to make that statement. You could say he has best hands of all the top backs in draft, you have seen them. I would agree with that statement. But, there might be a back at some Div II school who is slowfooted with no power, but incredible hands.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> I dont know about that, i am sure there are lots of backs you havents seen play, correct? Lots of backs you dont know? Right?</div> actually incorrect... The Draft is like Chirstmas mourning at my house to me.. I live for it.. Though I haven't seen the combine YET so yes there is a chance I'm wrong.. But from what I've seen and heard as of this moment Bush has better hands than most of the receivers in the draft.. unless he bombs out at the combine with drop balls which I highly doubt.</div> You have seen the backs of all 117 1-A schools, and all the I-AA schools that declared, and all the backs at all of the II school? and III schools? I dnot care if it christmas morning, unless you are an NFL scout, you havent seen them all play enough to make that statement. You could say he has best hands of all the top backs in draft, you have seen them. I would agree with that statement. But, there might be a back at some Div II school who is slowfooted with no power, but incredible hands.</div> a slowfooted no power back has no chance of making it in the NFL or getting drafted.. Bush has extremely good hands and yes according to a scout he has the best hands of any back in the draft... so unless I was lied to then I doubt I'm wrong with that statement or at least it's far from a reach.. Now with that said the combine can change a lot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'> actually incorrect... The Draft is like Chirstmas mourning at my house to me.. I live for it.. Though I haven't seen the combine YET so yes there is a chance I'm wrong.. But from what I've seen and heard as of this moment Bush has better hands than most of the receivers in the draft.. unless he bombs out at the combine with drop balls which I highly doubt.</div> You have seen the backs of all 117 1-A schools, and all the I-AA schools that declared, and all the backs at all of the II school? and III schools? I dnot care if it christmas morning, unless you are an NFL scout, you havent seen them all play enough to make that statement. You could say he has best hands of all the top backs in draft, you have seen them. I would agree with that statement. But, there might be a back at some Div II school who is slowfooted with no power, but incredible hands.</div> a slowfooted no power back has no chance of making it in the NFL or getting drafted.. Bush has extremely good hands and yes according to a scout he has the best hands of any back in the draft... so unless I was lied to then I doubt I'm wrong with that statement or at least it's far from a reach.. Now with that said the combine can change a lot.</div> A scout? So it is merely one scouts opinion, you hadnt seen all the backs(he probably hasnt either and was referring to the top backs in draft. Oh well, you are stubborn and dont really know.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>You have seen the backs of all 117 1-A schools, and all the I-AA schools that declared, and all the backs at all of the II school? and III schools? I dnot care if it christmas morning, unless you are an NFL scout, you havent seen them all play enough to make that statement. You could say he has best hands of all the top backs in draft, you have seen them. I would agree with that statement. But, there might be a back at some Div II school who is slowfooted with no power, but incredible hands.</div> a slowfooted no power back has no chance of making it in the NFL or getting drafted.. Bush has extremely good hands and yes according to a scout he has the best hands of any back in the draft... so unless I was lied to then I doubt I'm wrong with that statement or at least it's far from a reach.. Now with that said the combine can change a lot.</div> A scout? So it is merely one scouts opinion, you hadnt seen all the backs(he probably hasnt either and was referring to the top backs in draft. Oh well, you are stubborn and dont really know.</div> I've spoken to more than one.. It's still really early though and I'll know more later on.. If you have a different opinion that is find by me.. There are a lot of RB's like you said and the combine hasn't happen yet.. Pre combine rankings as of now states that Bush has the best hands in the draft out of the RB's.. which is one reason why he's such a hot commodity.. This is why Beef's comparison to Ismail was very good, if Bush does bomb out and is forced to turn to a receiver. I thought that was right on.. By the way I'm only saying what I know right now... I'll know more later.. but as of now.. I'm sick of you being an annoying ass.. Take it or leave it.. You don't have to call me stubborn.. You might not want to give my any credit because I'm a Packer fan and your a Bears fan and that's find by me but you can get off my f*cking back...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'> a slowfooted no power back has no chance of making it in the NFL or getting drafted.. Bush has extremely good hands and yes according to a scout he has the best hands of any back in the draft... so unless I was lied to then I doubt I'm wrong with that statement or at least it's far from a reach.. Now with that said the combine can change a lot.</div> A scout? So it is merely one scouts opinion, you hadnt seen all the backs(he probably hasnt either and was referring to the top backs in draft. Oh well, you are stubborn and dont really know.</div> I've spoken to more than one.. It's still really early though and I'll know more later on.. If you have a different opinion that is find by me.. There are a lot of RB's like you said and the combine hasn't happen yet.. Pre combine rankings as of now states that Bush has the best hands in the draft out of the RB's.. which is one reason why he's such a hot commodity.. This is why Beef's comparison to Ismail was very good, if Bush does bomb out and is forced to turn to a receiver. I thought that was right on.. By the way I'm only saying what I know right now... I'll know more later.. but as of now.. I'm sick of you being an annoying ass.. Take it or leave it.. You don't have to call me stubborn.. You might not want to give my any credit because I'm a Packer fan and your a Bears fan and that's find by me but you can get off my f*cking back...</div> Ummmm . . .not on your back. I am only posting facts. If you dont like it, I suggest you resolve those issues through PM system and VF
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>A scout? So it is merely one scouts opinion, you hadnt seen all the backs(he probably hasnt either and was referring to the top backs in draft. Oh well, you are stubborn and dont really know.</div> I've spoken to more than one.. It's still really early though and I'll know more later on.. If you have a different opinion that is find by me.. There are a lot of RB's like you said and the combine hasn't happen yet.. Pre combine rankings as of now states that Bush has the best hands in the draft out of the RB's.. which is one reason why he's such a hot commodity.. This is why Beef's comparison to Ismail was very good, if Bush does bomb out and is forced to turn to a receiver. I thought that was right on.. By the way I'm only saying what I know right now... I'll know more later.. but as of now.. I'm sick of you being an annoying ass.. Take it or leave it.. You don't have to call me stubborn.. You might not want to give my any credit because I'm a Packer fan and your a Bears fan and that's find by me but you can get off my f*cking back...</div> Ummmm . . .not on your back. I am only posting facts. If you dont like it, I suggest you resolve those issues through PM system and VF</div> Geee who's stubborn now??? What I'm saying is I'm posting what I know now... Now you don't know if there is a better back with hands in the draft now do you.. So I guess your not posting any facts. Everyone knows the draft opinions change more than the weather.. One day this guy goes here and has that, the other day there's a complete different guy... As of now Bush will go too Houston and one of is plus' are that he's got the best hands out of the RB's and can compare to some receivers.. Now that could change because draft rankings do and I can tell you with complete honesty that things will change between now and April.. That's how the process works every year.... When I make a mock it changes every single time I make a new one.. That's how it is... and I'm only saying what I KNOW as of this moment in time.. Now maybe some back at the combine will have better hands than Bush...Maybe they'll won't be.. As of now though Bush has a higher grade than any other back in the draft because of his hands, speed, and ability take it to the house every time he touches the ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'> I've spoken to more than one.. It's still really early though and I'll know more later on.. If you have a different opinion that is find by me.. There are a lot of RB's like you said and the combine hasn't happen yet.. Pre combine rankings as of now states that Bush has the best hands in the draft out of the RB's.. which is one reason why he's such a hot commodity.. This is why Beef's comparison to Ismail was very good, if Bush does bomb out and is forced to turn to a receiver. I thought that was right on.. By the way I'm only saying what I know right now... I'll know more later.. but as of now.. I'm sick of you being an annoying ass.. Take it or leave it.. You don't have to call me stubborn.. You might not want to give my any credit because I'm a Packer fan and your a Bears fan and that's find by me but you can get off my f*cking back...</div> Ummmm . . .not on your back. I am only posting facts. If you dont like it, I suggest you resolve those issues through PM system and VF</div> Geee who's stubborn now??? What I'm saying is I'm posting what I know now... Now you don't know if there is a better back with hands in the draft now do you.. So I guess your not posting any facts. Everyone knows the draft opinions change more than the weather.. One day this guy goes here and has that, the other day there's a complete different guy... As of now Bush will go too Houston and one of is plus' are that he's got the best hands out of the RB's and can compare to some receivers.. Now that could change because draft rankings do and I can tell you with complete honesty that things will change between now and April.. That's how the process works every year.... When I make a mock it changes every single time I make a new one.. That's how it is... and I'm only saying what I KNOW as of this moment in time.. Now maybe some back at the combine will have better hands than Bush...Maybe they'll won't be.. As of now though Bush has a higher grade than any other back in the draft because of his hands, speed, and ability take it to the house every time he touches the ball.</div> I never said he didnt have best hands. He probably does, but there is no way to no for sure. You are the one who said "anyone who says he doesnt have best hands in draft is lying" when clearly if someone states that opinion it is not lying
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'> Ummmm . . .not on your back. I am only posting facts. If you dont like it, I suggest you resolve those issues through PM system and VF</div> Geee who's stubborn now??? What I'm saying is I'm posting what I know now... Now you don't know if there is a better back with hands in the draft now do you.. So I guess your not posting any facts. Everyone knows the draft opinions change more than the weather.. One day this guy goes here and has that, the other day there's a complete different guy... As of now Bush will go too Houston and one of is plus' are that he's got the best hands out of the RB's and can compare to some receivers.. Now that could change because draft rankings do and I can tell you with complete honesty that things will change between now and April.. That's how the process works every year.... When I make a mock it changes every single time I make a new one.. That's how it is... and I'm only saying what I KNOW as of this moment in time.. Now maybe some back at the combine will have better hands than Bush...Maybe they'll won't be.. As of now though Bush has a higher grade than any other back in the draft because of his hands, speed, and ability take it to the house every time he touches the ball.</div> I never said he didnt have best hands. He probably does, but there is no way to no for sure. You are the one who said "anyone who says he doesnt have best hands in draft is lying" when clearly if someone states that opinion it is not lying</div> and like I said as of now from all that we could of been gathered Bush has the best hands in the draft.. as of now.. Things change.. That is how the draft is.. Maybe Bush is overrated.. The combine didnt' happen yet.. What if Bush runs a 4.4 at the combine.. people will second guess his speed. I've seen guys go from a 4.2 to a 4.4 at the NFL combine for some reason.. It happens.. but as of now... Bush has better hands than any back..in the draft..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'> Geee who's stubborn now??? What I'm saying is I'm posting what I know now... Now you don't know if there is a better back with hands in the draft now do you.. So I guess your not posting any facts. Everyone knows the draft opinions change more than the weather.. One day this guy goes here and has that, the other day there's a complete different guy... As of now Bush will go too Houston and one of is plus' are that he's got the best hands out of the RB's and can compare to some receivers.. Now that could change because draft rankings do and I can tell you with complete honesty that things will change between now and April.. That's how the process works every year.... When I make a mock it changes every single time I make a new one.. That's how it is... and I'm only saying what I KNOW as of this moment in time.. Now maybe some back at the combine will have better hands than Bush...Maybe they'll won't be.. As of now though Bush has a higher grade than any other back in the draft because of his hands, speed, and ability take it to the house every time he touches the ball.</div> I never said he didnt have best hands. He probably does, but there is no way to no for sure. You are the one who said "anyone who says he doesnt have best hands in draft is lying" when clearly if someone states that opinion it is not lying</div> and like I said as of now from all that we could of been gathered Bush has the best hands in the draft.. as of now.. Things change.. That is how the draft is.. Maybe Bush is overrated.. The combine didnt' happen yet.. What if Bush runs a 4.4 at the combine.. people will second guess his speed. I've seen guys go from a 4.2 to a 4.4 at the NFL combine for some reason.. It happens.. but as of now... Bush has better hands than any back..in the draft..</div> Things dnt change, it is merely opinino, bush may not have the bset hands. Simply your opinion will change as will the scouts. We dont know who has best hands, and probably will never actually know.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Things dnt change, it is merely opinino, bush may not have the bset hands. Simply your opinion will change as will the scouts. We dont know who has best hands, and probably will never actually know.</div> That might be true. For all we know there could be a guy off the streets with better hands.. Look it Michael Lewis. Went from garbage man to returning kicks and was dam good at it.. because he was fast.. What we can do is like you said give opinions on what we've gathered now.. And as of this moment in time.. Bush will be labeled as the best hands in the draft out of the backs according to the majority of the scouts and this is what I was told and it's the scouts for the teams that help rate the players and generally determines whether or not a team will consider drafting them into the NFL.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BearsFan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>Things dnt change, it is merely opinino, bush may not have the bset hands. Simply your opinion will change as will the scouts. We dont know who has best hands, and probably will never actually know.</div> That might be true. For all we know there could be a guy off the streets with better hands.. Look it Michael Lewis. Went from garbage man to returning kicks and was dam good at it.. because he was fast.. What we can do is like you said give opinions on what we've gathered now.. And as of this moment in time.. Bush will be labeled as the best hands in the draft out of the backs according to the majority of the scouts and this is what I was told and it's the scouts for the teams that help rate the players and generally determines whether or not a team will consider drafting them into the NFL.</div> You are missing the point. I have no problem with you stating that the majority of people will come to a consesus opinion he has best hands. He may very well. But to say "No one can say there's a RB with better hands than him in the draft because that would be a total lie at this point." is wrong, because how good someones hands are relative to another players is opinion, so if i said maroney had better hands, its not a total lie, it is my opinion.
To an extent that would be accurate because from all that anyone in this world could gathered from film and such there is no way you can name someone with better hands as a RB than Reggie Bush. Now maybe Bush is a product of the system.. That's what the combine will help tells us. Now after the combine when we actually get to see these guys from a first hand perspective then we'll know more.. Maybe I should of re-worded it better: AS OF NOW.... you can't say Bush doesn't have the best hands in the draft because after all the film that can be watched it's easy to make that assumption.. and that assumption would be accurate.. If it bothered you on what I said so much, so be it but calling my stubborn doesn't really help your cause... and you do decide to quote me more than any user on here and annoy me more than any user on here for some reason.. That's what I meant by getting off my back.. Though maybe you still don't get it.. and I'm sure your continue to annoy me the most..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>What if Bush runs a 4.4 at the combine.. people will second guess his speed.</div> BTW, Mr Draft Expert...if he runs a 4.4 no one will question that....thats world class speed....the whole world is full of bullshit 40 times that never happen(like Mike Vicks alleged 4.1 at VT)....the fast ever official 40 time at the draft is 4.29(Deion Sanders)....thats it...no one has ever run a faster official time....we all heard the rumors of Mathis's unofficial 4.25 last year, but that was unoffical....believe only the official time that comes off the automatic timers, not the hand times because they cant be acurate, the human hand cant time the stop watch that accurately....if you ever hear a time coming from a university, immediatley add .4 to it, and thats the real time....NCAA schools run guys on 36 yard courses with hand timers and then claim they are faster than they are because they want them drafted high so they can use it as recruiting fodder....on an unrelated note, you came really close to a personal attack on BF1 earlier....I dont know if it qualifies or not, thats up to VF to determine, but I thought it was borderline at best....cease actions that are questionable and lets talk some football....
One more note...if you think Reggie Bush will be working out at the combine, you dont knwo sqaut abou pre-draft preperations....that guy has personal workout written all over him....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>What if Bush runs a 4.4 at the combine.. people will second guess his speed.</div> BTW, Mr Draft Expert...if he runs a 4.4 no one will question that....thats world class speed....the whole world is full of bullshit 40 times that never happen(like Mike Vicks alleged 4.1 at VT)....the fast ever official 40 time at the draft is 4.29(Deion Sanders)....thats it...no one has ever run a faster official time....we all heard the rumors of Mathis's unofficial 4.25 last year, but that was unoffical....believe only the official time that comes off the automatic timers, not the hand times because they cant be acurate, the human hand cant time the stop watch that accurately....if you ever hear a time coming from a university, immediatley add .4 to it, and thats the real time....NCAA schools run guys on 36 yard courses with hand timers and then claim they are faster than they are because they want them drafted high so they can use it as recruiting fodder....on an unrelated note, you came really close to a personal attack on BF1 earlier....I dont know if it qualifies or not, thats up to VF to determine, but I thought it was borderline at best....cease actions that are questionable and lets talk some football....</div> Oh Beef to the rescue.. I'm sure BF1 is a big boy and doesn't need you to protect him.. I guess calling me stubborn isn't breaking the rules.. I guess his little post in here isn't breaking the rules either.. http://www.nfl-forums.com/forums/t4305-Spo...l-Playoffs.html Anyways your right a lot of the 40's are overhyped but I'll tell you what if Bush doesn't run what he's expected to at the combine you'll be hearing the word OVERRATED all over the place.. I'm glad you think I'm a draft expert.. but truth be told no one is really a draft expert it's all pretty much guess and check.. Ask Mel Kiper Jr..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hawk)</div><div class='quotemain'>Leinart is the best QB. He may have lost to Vince Young but it's still Leinart 2, Young 1. Reggie Bush is the best RB and I know one of you is going to say some RB that can catch is better so don't say anything about this sentence. Palmer is not comparable to Leinart because Palmer didn't really play in the playoffs -- Leinart did (BCS, playoffs. Same thing)</div> Everytime you make a prediction, it goes the other way....im sure Young will be happy to find out hes better than lineart....
You cant call people an "annoying ass".....that has nothing to do with the topic....attack his ideas, not him, thats the rules....as far as me "protecting" BF1, Im a moderator at this sight, I protect the rules set forth by our Admin....you dont have any idea what actions or warnings have been taken in the past....bottomline, worry about yourself and follow the rules or there are consequences....
