Connecticut School Shooting

MURDER is bad, and aside from the big cities, america doesnt really have a pronounced problem with it, like i said, oregons murder rate is similar to canadas

 

The 2nd amendment was referring to muskets and cannons and could not have foreseen the killing machines of today.

But anyway, here's another reason nothing will change: the firearms industry in American made over 30 billion dollars in 2011, and paid 2.5 billion in taxes.
http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/26/2311773/firearms-industry-jobs-up-30-percent.html

 

I keep finding myself on the same side of arguments as you lately. I actually kind of like it, because while today was a complete depressive experience, I find the politicization going on right now by supposed "leaders" to be reactionary, and not a sign at all of leadership.

 

eliminating all guns in america would be a huge boon for the knife market though

 

I would think, though, that a lot of legislation is more reactionary. We didn't stiffen travel security until after 9/11. Was it bad for people to call for tighter restrictions on travel, airport security, etc.? Was it reactionary and politicizing the issue to have stricter rules?

 

ideally, laws could be made rationally, and not with an army of pitchforks and torches blinding the masses with rage and fear

 

AGreed, but I think often, the pitchfork crowd, essentially, brings forth the idea of legislation, and then, hopefully, there's rational thought debate, and legislating as it calms down.

 

i know full well that this country is lead along on a leash by its "leaders", but that doesnt mean i have to like it

 

im fully in favor of finding a solution towards lowering the murder rate in america, and am all ears

but confiscating existing guns just aint gonna happen

 

You have to look at the roots of the gun violence. The roots.

 

That it starts with being way too easy to get a gun.

 

I find a candlelight vigil at the White House tonight fine. I find a candlelight vigil at the White House to advocate gun control, and not the victims, to be reactionary.

The latter is happening right now.

 

you have to figure that if all guns just vanished, there would still be at least 8000 or so murders a year in the US

 

so if it were easy to get a gun in japan, the gun deaths will be like they are here? Doubtful...you don't even need to lock your house door there.

 

I don't have a CCW, but I have had a .22 semi Remington rifle for 23 years. Never once have thought of using it to kill anything other than rabbits destroying friends' crops. Apparently the gun hasn't made me an insane killer.

 

Idk

You'd have a lot less cowards thinking they have some kind of power simply because they're holding a gun

You get people like that Ron Gotti guy

 

If all the guns vanish, only who are controlled by whom we elect have the guns.

That has really never worked out very well in terms of individual freedoms.

 

all the shootings you referenced plus the Colorado-Batman massacre involved semi-automatic weapons, or large capacity guns that can shoot as quickly as the shooter can keep twitching their finger. I've a shotgun for home defense, thats it. I won't be able to defend my home against a football team that collectively starts foaming at the mouth... I'm not living through Armageddon (oh well). I'm all for rifles, handguns & shotguns, but it seems pretty stupid to have semi-automatic weapons available. They sure are fun to shoot though

I'd support a tax on bullets to pay the medical bills of victims of gun violence. I'd also support upping background checks/requirements of those wishing to purchase weapons and having gun safety courses required for permits. I don't see any of these things as unconstitutional

of course whats really the most dangerous is someone who is looking to hurt people... obviously these steps wouldn't prevent every disaster. Preventing one psychopath from destroying the lives of so many sure seems worth it though

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