Convincing a Collins hater: what to look for

Swanigan has further to go physically than Collins lol.

 

Probably because Swanigan was a consensus 1st team All American and Big 10 Player of the Year, while Collins didn't even start.

Totally different circumstances. Collins was a freshman playing behind a 7'1" 305 lb. 23-year old 5th year senior, but even still he was 1st Team All Tournament. He stepped up when it counted. Karnowski was able to physically overpower smaller, younger players, but Collins was much more talented.

BNM

 

I don't see this...they are not the same type of players but Swanigan has a way stronger lower core than Collins...Collins has a way better vertical than Swanigan....Swanigan though is a better rebounder and shooter than Zach....if Swanigan had the opportunity Collins has been given, I think you'd see he's not that far from NBA ready...

 

I’ve seen Swanigan pretty much every game in the gleague. He’s not ready. He struggles to get his shot off against guys that won’t ever see an NBA court. He’s got ways to go.

But back to what I was talking about, Swanigan needs to lose weight before he even starts building his body. Collins already has his base.

 

we disagree....Collins needs lower and upper core strength...Swanigan doesn't need to lose weight...he needs to gain upper body muscle...I haven't watched all his games but have seen his highlights.....he's going to be a beast. Way ahead of the curve in my view....Collins is going to be a beast as well when he adds muscle.

 

from rookie season to vet

 

When I said base, I meant he doesn’t have to lose weight. He just needs to build. Swanigan still has weight to lose. He’s not athletic enough to get away with any extra baggage. He needs to get back to the weight he was in the draft process/summer league. It’s clear he’s put on weight since then.

 

What’s your point? That Zach needs to follow what Aldridge did? Because I agree if so.

 

my point is rookies who put in the work will get results like LA did.....and he put in the work...I think we'll see the same from the rookies

 

I agree, I was just saying that Swanigan has more work to do than Collins.

 

Collins has the intelligence and ability of someone who's been in the league for 10 years.

Other rookies and other players get more press because their athleticism translates immediately.

Right now, he's not strong enough, and he's still not comfortable on the court. This currently makes him
a below average NBA PLAYER.

However, when he gets stronger and gains some more experience, he will a dificult-to-find 2-way player. He
will be an above average NBA STARTER.

 

He has good footwork and good defensive insticts in the paint

 

In the first half tonight against Denver, Collins has played more minutes than any big.