One team listed out of quite a few makes a "drastic" roster move. And even without moving Kaman initially, they can find a deal they like, potentially, offer Oden a big deal, and if Portland doesn't match, they can go through with it, and then trade Kaman and sign Jordan. I don't see how just because Portland can match, the options aren't realistic. they are still available options. Those teams could take a calculated gamble that they can offer a big deal, and Portland wouldn't match. It's still an option for Oden, in RFA, to shop his services, and get a big offer, regardless of if it is matched or not.
Honestly, That's ^ the only way I see G.O. leaving. And that's a big IF, thank god with have Paul Allen.
So LAC, for example, is going to set up a side deal for Kaman, and then have that deal sit on the table with another team while Portland takes their 7 days to decide? I just don't see it as being realistic, and yes, I feel that the difference between Portland being able to match and not being able to match matters greatly this summer. Is a team really going to waste a week of FA, plus whatever else time goes into setting up a side deal, without knowing if Portland will match or not match? I don't see it.
Teams do it all the time. Why did we waste a week of free agency waiting on Wes. In one of the bigger free agent summers ever. Why waste a week on Milsap. Why do teams waste weeks often, making offers to RFAs? If it is for someone like Oden, sure a team would. Especially if they thought they had a reasonable chance at getting him with their offer. I don't see the difficulty in setting up a side deal. They can pretty easily call around now. he Cleveland, you have a large TPE> Kaman for nothing, you in? Ok, sure. We'll take a decent C for nothing. Ok, give us a week. Wow, so tough. If a team is getting a good deal, like Cleveland in that instance, they easily wait a week on it.
Cleveland gets Chris Kaman without a contract for the LeBron TPE? Why on Earth would they do that after they also took on Baron Davis' contract? Anyhow, I see your point, but I disagree that there are as many options for Oden as there would be as an UFA. There are too many more moving pieces, which is the entire point of restricted free agency. Also, why would a team make a deal for Millsap? Well, one reason was to fuck over Utah, and basically net Wesley Matthews the next summer. I will point out that Portland first offered UFA Hedo Turkoglu a contract, and they also had the cap space to offer Millsap. LAC can't say "hey, we're going to trade this player so we can offer Oden, so Mr. Stern, can we just pretend that we have the cap space, even though we really don't because we can't trade these players if we don't get Oden?" Not happening.
The clips would have to do a Kaman deal first in order to have cap space to sign Oden. You cant use cap space before you have cap space...
That's what I was saying in the post prior to yours. A "side deal" to create cap space is not possible if you don't already have the cap space. Basically, the cap space has to be created prior to making Oden an offer. A team can't make an offer without the cap space available, and then decide to create the cap space based on whether or not the RFA's team matches it. I'm not quite sure where RR7 was going with his scenarios, but as I said, they aren't realistic.
Yeah, if that were possible to use cap space before you have cap space we should've signed LeBron last summer!
They have 14 million in cap space WITH Kaman. My point was to sign BOTH Oden and DeAndre Jordan, they could get rid of Kaman. So they don't need this magical hypothetical whatever with so many moving pieces that you mention. I am assuming they do not want to lose Jordan. But could also take the high risk, high reward with Oden. And move Kaman to do it.
What does that have to do with OKC and Nate Robinson, though, to clear up cap space, as you posted earlier? Plus, you're getting rid of Kaman without guaranteeing replacing him. Anyhow, what you meant and what you posted are two different things, but I know the rules against admitting mistakes on this board.
What I meant and what I posted? I said there are plenty of options. You focused on the Clippers one, until I showed how it can easily be done, since they have the space. Really, is it that difficult to conceive that POKC can say to, say, Cleveland hey, we'll give you Cole Aldrich if you take on Nate. And we'll pay you 3 million. Done deal. Offer to Oden. Oh no!! The logistics are inconceivable!! There are many many options for him as a RFA> Sorry you don't see it. Open your eyes.
You don't lose Kaman for nothing. You offer Oden. He accepts. You wait the week. Portland doesn't match. You sign Oden. You trade Kaman. You sign Jordan. Wow. This stuff is hard.
That must be done prior to making the offer to Oden, though. So, if Portland matches OKC's offer, OKC is out Oden, Aldrich, and Nate Robinson. Why Cleveland would want them with their TPE if OKC is just giving them away is another story as well. Most of your scenarios involve a team needing to clear cap space prior to making an offer that Portland may not match. The way you wrote them are not based in reality, so now I get the "Open your eyes" and other insults. Predictable. I know why you posted it, but the problem is, you were wrong this time, but you can't admit it because of why you posted it. Anyhoo, good luck clearing up imaginary cap space prior to having "side deals".
The Clippers traded Kyrie Irving for Mo Williams, $11 million, and a hypothetical "shot" at Greg Oden, who they would have to massively overpay for to make the Blazers not consider matching. While I find that funny, because it's the Clippers, how can you assume that Kaman will be able to be traded without taking on another contract? May as well just keep Kaman in case Oden goes down again. So, worst case, Oden accepts, Kaman can't be traded, and at that point, Sterling has a big decision to make on Jordan. Seeing as the Clippers just dumped Baron Davis, why on Earth would they take the risk of paying up to $10 million in luxury tax? Also, could you go over the rest of your "side deal" scenarios? The ones where you offer Oden prior to actually creating the cap space, with Portland still having the right to match any offer?
Most of the scenarios? Gotcha. I should know better than to bother discussing anything with you. You look for an argument over an actual discussion,a nd want to twist a discussion. Most? Denver? no. OKC? yes. LA? no. Washington? No. Sacramento? no. NJ? no. Phx? yes. So two out of 7 is most? I see. I was pointing out that there are many teams with cap space is all. And more that could look to clear some if they wanted. So there are more than the 5 scnearios mentioned previously. I dunno what disciussion you are looking to get into. Feel free. Exact;ly how am I wrogn? because I pointed out 7 teams that have space, with two needing to make a move to likely get enough space? Ok. You were wrong initially in the limited options,a nd are on this long rant to say you weren't. Whatever you want.
The way you positioned you clearing of cap space was unrealistic, though. It was. Now, you've given some other options, and have clarified one of the scenarios, but I still find it unlikely that a team is going to clear cap space in less than two months to make a run at a restricted free agent. It makes no sense, especially with the lockout looming on July 1st.
I gave the "other" options in my original post. sorry you can't read. I know you looked for a way to argue before actually reading someone's post. 2 of 7. Wow.
Only commenting on his, then why were you referring to me and my posts? He listed some, you commented. I added 7 more potential scenarios. Whatever.
Cripes. If anyone can actually read this entire thread from start to finish, I'd be amazed. I'd rather stick a fork in my eye than wade through all of this conjecture . . .
