OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. calvin natt

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    “I won’t take that vaccine that was created by scientists around the globe for Covid because I don’t quite trust it”

    “hey can you pass me the horse de-wormer, I hear it does great things for Covid”
     
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    Hospitals out here in bumfuck aren’t beyond capacity. We must be doing something wrong. Talk more shit implying wherever you live is better. Enjoy your enlightened society and infrastructure that can’t support the population.
     
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    Nobody said it isn't a good drug for the purposes that it was designed for (treating round worm), or that it wasn't worth investigating, along with other drugs currently available, as to whether it might have benefit in treating other diseases. Unfortunately, the best scientific trial to date says it's totally ineffective as a treatment for Covid-19.

    https://trialsitenews.com/mcmaster-...no-show-while-fluvoxamine-shows-some-promise/
     
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    Immunity through vaccination typically wanes over time. There are a few viruses, like measles, polio, mumps, etc. that don't mutate much and that the human immune system reacts strongly enough to to maintain lifetime immunity. It's far more typical for antibodies to drop off over time and for a booster to be needed. With Covid-19, we're also dealing with a virus that mutates readily and produces variants that the original vaccine wasn't designed for. So far, they're still holding up very well against serious disease, but there are signs of waning immunity after 8 months or so. But there's another factor at play that I've read about that isn't getting much press so far and that's that a booster given after a longer period of time, once antibodies start to recede, tells the immune system to "WAKE THE FUCK UP, THIS IS SERIOUS" so that it produces an even stronger immune reaction than the original vaccination did. With vaccines like the one for shingles, it was determined that the best course for long-lasting immunity was to spread the two doses out 2-6 months apart. By doing that, it's expected that the immunity will last for years. With Covid, the immediate goal was to get people as much immunity quickly as possible so that community spread would be reduced. Now that the immediate dire threat is over, the issue of longer lasting immunity can be addressed. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a booster is recommended and it also certainly doesn't say anything negative about the efficacy of the vaccines.
     
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    Great post!
     
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    Moderna’s mRNA Vaccine for HIV Is Starting Human Trials

    Before 2020, many of us had never heard of mRNA. With the development of Covid-19 vaccines dependent on this molecule, though, mention of it was all over the news. In early August, the US reached the milestone of 70 percent of adults having received at least one dose of the vaccine. Covid was the first disease mRNA therapeutics tackled, and given the success of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines at preventing severe cases of the virus, it won’t be the last.

    New candidates are lining up, with scientists saying mRNA could make it possible to develop vaccines against all kinds of diseases that, until now, haven’t had a solution in sight. One of these is HIV; Moderna (whose name, by the way, comes from “modified RNA”) started trials of its experimental mRNA-based HIV vaccine, called mRNA-1644, this week.

    The Phase 1 trial will consist of giving the vaccine to 56 adults who don’t have HIV, with the primary goals being to evaluate its safety and monitor the development of an immune response in participants. In addition to the initial version of the vaccine, Moderna developed a variant called mRNA-1644-v2-Core.

    As detailed in Moderna’s August 11 submission to the to the National Institutes of Health’s Clinical Trials registry, participants in the trial will be split into four different groups, with one group getting mRNA-1644, a second group getting mRNA-1644-v2, and the remaining two groups getting a mix of both versions. Rather than a blind trial, where people don’t know which injection they’re receiving, participants will be aware of what they’re getting.

    This first phase of the clinical trial is scheduled to take around 10 months, and will be followed by Phase 2 and 3 trials. The later-stage trials will likely take much longer than the trials for Covid-19 did; as Covid spread like wildfire in 2019 and 2020 and hundreds of thousands of people got sick, it was much easier to give people a vaccine and quickly see who became infected and who didn’t. HIV is, thankfully, far less prevalent, and you can go a lifetime without ever coming into contact with the virus.

    As you’ve probably heard by now through reading up on the Covid vaccines, mRNA-based versions work a little differently than traditional vaccines, which used a weakened bit of a virus to expose our bodies to it.

    As detailed in an excellent, very-worth-listening-to ‘Gamechangers’ podcast from The Economist, mRNA vaccines are intended to train our cells to create proteins to fight a given virus. mRNA is the intermediary between DNA and proteins, and proteins control pretty much everything that happens in our cells. DNA makes mRNA, which in turn acts as a “messenger” and instructs our cells to make proteins.

    The “workshop” where the proteins get made is the cell’s ribosome. “This is fundamentally the idea behind RNA therapeutics,” said Natasha Loder, health policy editor at The Economist. “It’s about taking control of that workshop…by essentially manipulating these messengers.” In this case, the mRNA carries instructions to synthesize the spike protein on the Covid-19 virus.

    For 24 to 48 hours after the mRNA vaccine is injected, the recipient’s cells start to manufacture the spike protein. The body tags it as an invader and launches an immune response. Then, when the person comes in contact with the real virus, their cells are already prepared to fight the infection before it takes over.

    Much of the vaccine hesitancy we’re seeing is due to worries that the vaccines were developed too quickly, and are too new to be proven safe. However, as the podcast explains in excellent detail, mRNA therapeutics aren’t a brand-new technology at all—research in the area began as early as the 1970s.

    Whether the HIV vaccine will work as well as the Covid vaccine remains to be seen—and it will take far longer—but initial indications are promising. Earlier this year, the International AIDS Vaccine Initiative and Scripps Research tested a piece of the vaccine, and saw 97 percent of study participants developing the intended immune response.

    mRNA has been touted as a potential tool for vaccines against everything from malaria to cancer. In the wake of so much catastrophe, we can see this technology as one good thing the Covid-19 pandemic left in its destructive wake; it truly seems we’ve approached a new frontier in medicine.

    https://singularityhub.com/2021/08/...e-for-hiv-is-starting-human-trials-this-week/
     
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    Mississippi Poison Control Calls Rise As Anti-Vaxxers Take Livestock Dewormers to Treat, Prevent COVID-19
    • The Food and Drug Administration has not approved ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment.
    • Livestock or animal formulations of ivermectin are highly toxic in humans.
    • Ivermectin may cause symptoms such as rashes, vomiting, and abdominal pain.

    On Friday, an alert issued to healthcare providers in Mississippi said that the state's Poison Control Center received an influx of calls from individuals with potential exposure to ivermectin – a product used to treat roundworms and other parasites – which they had taken to treat or prevent COVID-19 infection.

    While ivermectin can be used by both people and animals, at least 70% of recent calls were related to ingestion of animal formulations of the anti-parasitic agent from livestock supply centers, the alert said.

    Symptoms associated with ivermectin toxicity include rash, nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, neurological disorders, and hepatitis.

    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has provided a list of approved drugs and treatments, including vaccines, to prevent COVID-19 infection; ivermectin has not been approved.

    "For one thing, animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than we do — a ton or more. Such high doses can be highly toxic in humans," the FDA said in a consumer update: "Many inactive ingredients found in animal products aren't evaluated for use in people. Or they are included in much greater quantity than those used in people. In some cases, we don't know how those inactive ingredients will affect how ivermectin is absorbed in the human body."

    In March, Missouri's Poison Center also experienced an uptick in calls related to ivermectin toxicity. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data shows that Missouri and Mississippi have relatively low vaccination rates— 44% and 37%, respectively — compared to the rest of the country.

    No hospitalizations due to ivermectin toxicity have been directly reported to the Mississippi Poison Control Center or the Mississippi State Department of Health, according to the alert.

    https://www.insider.com/mississippi-anti-vaxxers-take-livestock-dewormers-to-prevent-covid-2021-8
     
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    Fox and other right wing media are heavily promoting horse drug along with hydroxychoroquin. Claiming they are used worldwide to treat COVID-19, which they aren't, but evil FDA and CDC won't allow it here. People who won't get a massively tested vaccine that has been administered to hundreds of millions without serious side effects will run off to buy horse drug if Hannity and Ingraham say to.
     
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    Literal cult. Followers. Cult leaders. Brainwashing. That’s all it is nothing less.
     
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    More people should understand this.... however it doesn't fit their bias.
     
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    I hear horse de-wormer is on sale at tractor supply...
     
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    In Maine, a Republican state legislators buried his unvaccinated wife after she.died from Covid. Then he attended antivax rally where state governor was called Nazi for imposing vaccine mandate for health workers.
     

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