OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Yes, it would have been a better article had the writer included that.

    It's a columnist for the Times writing, not a scientist.

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    They hang out with you, that's probably why they got infected. I wouldn't call that lucky.

    Or maybe you misunderstand the statistics. There's a big difference in vaccination rates between King County WA and wherever you are in Wyoming. All 3 of the vaccinated people in WY are at greater risk of infection due to all the 'skeptics' around them.

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    Cute. I realize you’re being facetious, but I also realize it’s because there is a lack of argument to be made.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Well, the argument is that whatever your anecdotal data is, it's not statistics.

    I'm not defending this article, though, because it's just some dude writing who also probably doesn't understand statistics, and he doesn't give any real references to the underlying data for the 1 in 5000 claim - I'd have to see it to defend it.

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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Never asked this on here before, but are there really people out there who think that just because you get vaccinated, you can’t get infected? Really? I get the FLU shot every year and sometimes get sick, just not at the level I used to before getting the annual flu shot. I thought that was pretty basic knowledge.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    If there are people who think the vaccine contains a microchip, or makes you magnetic, or is likely to kill you, then yes, there are going to be people who think it is an impenetrable barrier than allows you to french kiss a dozen covid patients a day and not get sick.

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    Seems like a writer for the New York Times might dig a little deeper for facts, so as not to present information that @EL PRESIDENTE debunks in a matter of minutes. The thing is, I DON’T think the writer is actually that stupid, I think he’s purposely being misleading so as to be able to dubiously extract a headline like the one above. Most people will simply take the headline and run with it, and that’s all you need to push a narrative. As long as this writer can throw his hands up and say “well technically…” at the end of the day then he gets away with it.
     
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    No one believes this. But there are people who like to CLAIM people believe this, so it gives them a reason to go against the vax and science.
     
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    Not many actually believe that. The problem seems to be the effectiveness that was touted early in the rollout has fallen short. Now the idea of a booster, or even indefinite boosters, is being kicked around. It’s just not what people expected, because it’s not what they were told. It’s always been known that science changes, so why can’t the people in charge quit presenting every new piece of data as the gospel. That is precisely what’s causing so much aversion to vaccines and mandates. People are barked down and told a set of facts that seems to change within a matter of months, if not days or weeks. Some honesty about what the experts DONT know would probably go a long way, as opposed to imposing religious-like dogma on anyone who asks a question. Biden LITERALLY told the public they wouldn’t get sick if they took the vaccine, and you’re asking if anyone actually believes it.
     
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    No.

    The original covid 19 virus that the vaccines were made to combat the real world numbers have been very close to what was said.

    When it comes to fighting the delta variant it is not as effective but still very very effective.

    There will be other variants that the original vaccine does not fight as well as it does against the delta variant.

    But here is the important part.

    THE SCIENCE BEHIND THE VACCINE IS SOUND!

    We have the ability to produce precision boosters to combat individual variants.

    You all along have claimed the vaccine isn't working or bad science. You said it was created too quickly. 1 in 500 or 1 in 10. You are better off, our economy is better off, our country is better off with the vaccine than without.

    Your arguments against the vaccine have been proven wrong.

    This just popped up. Real world data.

    COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness against infection fell from 91% to 78% after the Delta variant became dominant, but remained above 90% against hospitalization and death, CDC report finds
    • A new CDC report looked at the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines before and after the Delta variant became the dominant strain in the U.S.
    • Prior to the variant's dominance, the vaccines were 91% effective against infection, 92% effective against hospitalization and 90% effective against death
    • After Delta became dominant, effectiveness against infection fell to 78% but barely dropped against hospitalization and death at 91% and 90%, respectively
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/...inst-infection-fell-91-78-Delta-dominant.html
     
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  13. SlyPokerDog

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    I actually have a neighbor (very nice lady) who actually believes the microchip thing. I am reluctant to call her stupid or really get into a discussion with her. As I said, she is very nice. So I just told her that the chip going in was the only painful part of the vaccine and that she’d survive once she got past that part. She was not amused and now pretends to be busy when I drive up the alley……..what some people believe……
     
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    Some people only posses "alternative" knowledge. They are not university smart, they are "fallen off the turnip truck" smart.
     
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    Well fucking fuck
     
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    Bro this is a basketball forum, yet you come on here all day everyday simply to preach against this vaccine. I have one simple question for you and I’d really only like a one word answer.
    Are you better off getting the vaccine? Y or N?
     
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    fake news is only a conservative trumper thing.
     
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