OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. jonnyboy

    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    “Phony health freedom ideologies”
     
  2. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Ummm……he DID say that he and his family are vaccinated……..
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    How so? They were not vaccinated. They died. It's pretty clear cut... Nobody is blaming them for anything.
     
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    jonnyboy Well-Known Member

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    I find it an odd premise that two people suffering from the same illness should be segregated because one got a treatment that was supposed to work but didn’t. But fine. I also don’t agree with the idea that people should be denied healthcare or elective procedures simply because they are unvaccinated. It is irrelevant at that point if they aren’t suffering from covid. It’s completely outside the argument of unvaccinated covid patients “filling hospitals”. If a guy is bleeding to death or has cancer it’s not because he’s unvaccinated.

    I also find it odd though that we see this push-pull in the narrative where it goes from “I got my vaccine I’m good, you’re stupid go ahead and die” to “You’re going to kill me if you don’t get the vaccine”.

    You're either worried about the unvaccinated dying, or you don’t care and fuck them. I feel like people should just pick one because these two ideas don’t exist together in any logical reality. One negates the idea of the vaccine being personally effective, and the other presents the notion that it is extremely effective and one shouldn’t have to worry after getting it. Let’s pick one and move on.
     
  5. jonnyboy

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    Except they are. They are being grouped in with people who chose not to get vaccinated, rather than it being acknowledged that they simply lived in a world where a vaccine did not exist. It is not a very forthright argument.
     
  6. barfo

    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Suppose we can treat only one car crash victim. Two people are injured in a crash. One was wearing his seatbelt and driving responsibly. The other was drunk, speeding, driving in the wrong lane, and was entirely at fault in the crash. They have identical injuries. Who should we save?

    Most of us understand that the vaccine isn't 100% but is nevertheless very effective, so the inconsistency you perceive doesn't actually exist. We don't have to 'pick one'.

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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Not against covid.

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    fake news. I believe over 300,000+ died before a vaccine was available.
    How many were elderly forced into lockdown with covid positive people?

    for all the complaints about misleading info…..
     
  9. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    My bad….poor reading comprehension. I guess I won’t be buying him a beer if I swing through WY next month……
     
  10. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    I've met @jonnyboy, great guy. His wife is even nicer. If you can have a socially distant beer with him you should.
     
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    Actually I was being a smart ass. I’m vaccinated and follow all the protocols, so I’m not too worried about it. And I would very much enjoy a beer with Johnny (he’s a Dead Guy fan!……the beer, not the COVID victim). But I think he’s in the northern part of WY and I’ll be hauling ass across the southern end…..but Johnny, if you’re reading this and going to be in southern WY the last week of this month, I’m buying…….
     
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    It's got nothing to do with blame. They weren't vaccinated so they count as unvaccinated deaths. As they should.

    Nearly everybody who dies of covid-19 now certainly has themselves to blame. They are the reason the pandemic is still going in this country, and why there are still mask restrictions. As well as our leaders who are not offering enough incentive to get vaccinated.

    Nobody blames the first 500k deaths. They were victims. Everyone is aware of that.
     
  13. jonnyboy

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    I’d enjoy that, I’ll keep it in mind! Never know, I’m up and down from Denver quite a lot. Why are you going through the crappy part of the state anyway?!
     
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    Alabama man, 73, dies of heart failure after 43 hospitals across three Southern states were unable to accept him because their ICUs were full of COVID patients
    • Ray DeMonia, 73, of Cullman, died of a cardiac failure after being transported more than 200 miles away to the only hospital with an available ICU bed
    • His family said their local hospital staff made calls to 43 hospitals across three states before they could locate the bed he needed
    • Alabama's intensive care beds ran out amid a Delta variant surge that brought more than 180,000 new cases across the US on the day DeMonia died
    • His family have called on others to get vaccinated to avoid the same tragedy
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...als-three-states-unable-accept-ICUs-full.html
     
  15. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

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    Well…..my goal is to actually spend some time in Colorado (only been there at Four Corners) but I thought I’d first drive into Nebraska and then drop down into the NW corner of Kansas. Maybe see some “off the interstate” parts of both states. There’s a couple of funky museums in both states I’d like to check out. Then I’ll cross CO via a more southerly route. No real interest in getting lost in the Denver “metroplex” and I enjoy the smaller towns anyway. But that’s why I’m going through southern WY…….and plan on hauling ass all the way. That wind drives me nuts. Two years ago I drove through in blizzard conditions, so this time should be better. The first two days will be some hard driving. The next 6-7 day will be a mosey on back home…..but if you’re anywhere near that isn’t a major detour, let me know. My plans aren’t set in stone. I just need a change of scenery and I’ve just been cooped up too long……
     
  16. SlyPokerDog

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    Zoo Atlanta gorillas infected with COVID-19
    The 20 gorillas at Zoo Atlanta are divided into four troops, and members of every troop have shown evidence of infection. Rivera said it is likely that the virus made its way into the gorilla population from an animal care staffer who was asymptomatic when she came to work, but was tested later and was shown to be positive.

    That staffer had already been vaccinated and was wearing the protective gear that has long been part of Zoo Atlanta protocol, including gloves, mask and a face shield.

    There is no requirement that members of the Zoo Atlanta staff get vaccinated, though a high percentage of the staff has been vaccinated, said spokesperson Rachel Davis.

    Because the gorillas live together in close proximity, it is impossible to isolate the affected members, said Rivera. All will be tested. As the affected gorillas recover from their symptoms, the staff plans on vaccinating the gorilla population with the Zoetis vaccine, which was developed for veterinary use and had been used at the San Diego zoo on its ape population.

    Zoo Atlanta has already vaccinated its Bornean and Sumatran orangutans, its Sumatran tigers, its African lions and its clouded leopard.

    Atlanta’s veterinary team is treating some of the gorillas at risk of serious complications with monoclonal antibodies, starting with the most senior members.

    Those include Ozzie, who, at 60, is the oldest male gorilla in captivity. Rivera said Ozzie is showing mild symptoms. “We don’t feel that we’re out of the woods,” he added. “We’re taking it on a day by day basis.”

    Humans are known to infect animals, but the distances between visitors to the zoos and the apes would make animal-to-human transmission extremely unlikely. The CDC says animals don’t play a significant role in spreading COVID to humans.

    Other zoos have begun vaccinating at-risk animals, including the Detroit Zoo, which announced plans to vaccinate its gorillas, chimpanzees, tigers and lions.

    COVID-19 has been known to infect tigers, lions, mink, snow leopards, cougars, dogs and domestic cats.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/coronaviru...sed-with-covid-19/K4XFA5FS5RATPJPZ4VKOCGOVJI/
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    School children must take inoculations if they want to go to school.
    If you want to come to my house you must be inoculated.
     
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    San Francisco started the school year with no Covid outbreaks. San Francisco is highly vaccinated. Coincidence, I am sure.
     
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