OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Is natural immunity not a thing? What are the numbers on people getting covid twice?

 

The thing is, the 'science' keeps changing. At first the 'science' told us it wasn't communicable from animals to humans. Then that distance would be the answer. Then masks. Then if you got the vax, no mask. Then masks again. Now the vax needs a booster....already. No problem with science, but none of this seems very conclusive.

This has always bothered me. The vax is supposed to lessen the symptoms but does not prevent becoming positive. You can just as easily be positive and spread it to others even if you have the vaccine. You might stay out of the hospital, but stats show that the vast majority of people with symptoms have at least one and most have 2 co-morbidities....so overall health is apparently a big factor in how serious symptoms are whether someone is vaxed or not.

I'm not anti-vax, but the whole, "I got it to protect my friends and family" is quite the reach.

 

People first thought the sun revolved around the earth too. This is how science works, and how more research drives our understanding of things. Why is this hard for some people to comprehend?

 

If 100% of the world were vaxxed, we could take off masks and go back to the old days as everyone’s chances of dying would be lower.

 

No problem with understanding the changes in understanding/science. But there often seems to be this almost certain belief in the current 'science' and what should be done, when we KNOW it is very likely to change. So why make permanent decisions based on something likely to be out of date shortly?

 

What I can't seem to understand is why everyone can't discuss the nuances of this shit in the OT forum. Sure post what a basketball player said about it but if you want to parce that shiy out, do it elsewhere.

 

The CDC doesn't say. Just that it's rare.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/reinfection.html

 

Yeah it’s called learning.

 

The bolded part is incorrect. If you're fully vaccinated, you're half as likely to get infected as an unvaccinated person if you are both exposed to someone who who is infected. Additionally, studies have shown that the amount of virus shed by a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection is substantially less than an unvaccinated individual. Finally, the amount of time that an infected vaccinated person sheds virus is typically much shorter than for someone who is infected with Covid and is unvaccinated.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...to-infect-others-study-finds/?sh=4abd80a7281c

 

So doesn't Bradley Beal have a point? Granted, he should have gotten the vaccine before the Olympics and for that we can call him a fucking idiot, but if his DOCTOR said, "you had the virus, you don't need the vaccine" should we really care?

 

Yes....so just as easily can spread it. Maybe not as often, but it's not like having the vax keeps you from being positive or passing it on. Again, not anti-vax, but there is still a lot that is unknown and the story keeps changing. And for something that has a 99.9% survival rate.

It's okay to ask questions.

 

Why is that such a reach? I have parents in the above-65 age range. I literally got it so I could be around them. As well as a few older friend/co-workers and people at greater risk. I'm 99.9% sure I had COVID in the very beginning, so I haven't been super-worried for myself. More for others.

 

Science changes because unlikely religion it is based on data. With a novel virus there is some guesswork. As data accumulate the science becomes more certain.

 

Not true, you are 5 to 6 times more likely to catch it if unvaccinated, so "just as easily" is just wrong.

Once you get it, you can be a spreader, for sure.

That is just bad math. If you are 5 times less likely to be infected when you are vaccinated and your partner is 5 times less likely to be infected when they are vaccinated - the 2 of you would have to be exposed to 25 times the people to become infected and so on and so forth.

The problem is that people want to be binary, it's all or nothing - but the world does not work like that, never did and never will. What you want to do is limit risks and minimize danger - and the vaccines are a great way to do that.

... and, until the vast majority of people are vaccinated, masks are another great way to do that, and social distancing is another way of doing it.

But, since we have so many idiots that "know better" - all of us that are trying to help everyone will need to continue doing all these measures to cover for the selfish ones.

 

Religion changes. Christianity, per it's own recorded history wanted to help the poor and the sick - but with years the church (pretty much all of them) wanted to become rich and powerful on the back of the poor and the sick and it continues to this day.

Maybe the ideological part of "the religion" did not change, just the people that say they follow it did - and they use it's name in vain.

Realistically, religion (and god) are human inventions - some parts of it were created by people that wanted to do good by giving guidance to the un-educated, other parts were created by people that wanted fame, power and riches - and the modern ones seem to be the latter repurposing the old ones for their own needs for fame, power and riches.

The difference between science and religion is that science has a method for self critique and verification and religion does not. It is easy to point to an idea that seemed right in the past but was proven wrong in science and show why it is wrong. It is impossible to do it in religion because it has no method of verification - which is why the crooks always seem to be attracted to it.

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking questions, that's actually an underlying requirement for science. But, no, it's not the case that an infected vaccinated person can spread the disease as easily to as many people as an infected unvaccinated person. They don't have as much viral load and they don't have it for as long. A typical nonvaccinated person who gets Covid is contagious a couple of days before getting symptoms and for 7-10 days thereafter. They are shedding a lot more virus for a much longer time than a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection so they are much more likely to spread it to more people.

Nobody knows for sure what the case fatality rate is, but there are all kinds of bad health effects associated with Covid other than dying: long-Covid, heart, kidney, and lung damage even in people with mild cases, brain damage, blood-clotting leading to strokes and pulmonary embolisms. You don't want this crap and you don't want to give it to someone else.

 

No. It's his own damn business.

 

You raise some good points, but you speak much too broadly IMHO. There are a lot of folks on this forum who practice our faiths quietly, if imperfectly. I'm a Christian and I always try to remember that Jesus wasn't really keen on religion or on hypocrisy. His basic message was love God, love others and don't judge others. But, in order to avoid seeing @blazerkor 's head implode, this is a much better discussion for the OT section.