OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

its funny that any study or numbers that doesn't fit the vaccine mandate crowd is dismissed, but all the studies and numbers that do, are 100% correct.

This is what one calls blind belief.

its scary to me how many people stick to a hardline when its likely some of both?

but everyone wants to make it political…

shame on everyone for not being impartial and pushing a political agenda over common sense.
And common sense says both sides’ numbers have flaws…

 

My co-worker and good friend just died. Came down with Covid-19 on Friday and his heart gave out early this morning. 35 years old. Antivaxxer.

Fuck.

 

Wife and little boy. 4 years old.

 

I will make sure I inform my wife in California who is as liberal as it gets, that all her Hispanic non vaccinated patients that died of Covid in the last 3 months were mostly republican. Same with my client in Mississippi who had to treat their unvaccinated patients (The vast majority who were black) in the parking lot because their ER was full.

For the record, I am not Republican, Democrat or Libertarian. Just someone who hates the media and the politicians who puts politics over lives. Also for the record, I already have my booster shot

 

Do you read first? I said correlation. There is. If you look at states with high/low vaccination rates they align with Biden/Trump. If you look at antivax governors, all Republican. If you look at legislatures banning mask/vaccine mandates, all Republican controlled. That is putting politics over lives, my friend.

 

okay but a map would show Oregon voted dem. But thats just the metro. Tons of right leaners in the smaller places that could skew things.

so take a republican state. Most of the large metros are still democratic and thats where this is happening… in the bigger cities, that are mostly democratic.

Follow the cities. Not the states. States are too vast to make such a comparison.

what cities show the most pushback on vaccines and are those cities democratic or republican in majority?

 

The microchip in the booster is clearly much bigger than in the previous doses cuz my arm hurts!

 

counties still have large areas that dont distinguish one sect. Clackamas county covers most smaller towns but also butts right up to multnomah and overlaps many.
So even though Clackamas may have an overall republican stance, how do we not know the antiprotesters are dems living closer to multnomah county?

 

My wife and I got the booster yesterday and both of us are fine. A little bit of a sore arm but that’s it.

 

Man that's tragic, sorry about the loss of your friend and co-worker!

 

There are two major groups that have strong resistance to the vaccine--Trump supporters/arch-right conservatives and minorities who have traditionally been exploited in this country (largely, but not entirely, blacks and Latinos).

Those minorities who are against or skeptical of the vaccine do so because they trace a through-line between generations of abuse against their ethnicity and believe that this vaccine is, or may be, a part of that. While I disagree with that sentiment and think that the facts of this case don't support such a concern, I can at least understand the paranoia birthed from those generations of abuse.

The conservatives who are agitating against the vaccine have no such history of abuse to lead them to the wrong answer. They're uncritically swallowing conspiracy theories about mass genocide, mind control, genetic experiments and rushed, untested medicine. The governors know better, they're simply using anti-vaccine rhetoric to manipulate those easily-manipulated conspiracy theorists.

So, you're right that all these anti-vaxxers aren't Trump supporters or ultra-right-wing conservatives. But one of the groups at least has a basis for fearing being told to do something and the other really doesn't (aside from the standard "don't tread on me" nonsense that popped up for the original vaccines or for seat belts or for other common sense safety measures).

 

yep and common sense tells mw numbers can and often are skewed. From both sides.

common sense tells me the anti protests are largely in bigger cities that are largely democratic.

Certainly possible its only republicans in these cities, but common sense tells me that is not likely.
Sure, a state like Texas may be an exception to the rule, but by and large, metro areas are democratic and metro areas are the ones dealing with protests.

 

I don't disagree with that. But you are missing the main point. The media and the Whitehouse for months were both saying the problem was due to Republican-controlled states. And I am telling you that in southern CA that is not true. Early on this year, my wife was working 6 days a week dealing with a sudden increase in ICU patients with Delta/Covid. (And deaths) The vast majority were "overweight Hispanics who refused to be vaccinated." (Her words not mine) If they were better educated on the issue lives would have been most definitely saved. But early on the narrative was focused on "white right-winged " southern states.

Can not see the problem with that? They finally had to get Obama to beg many black to get the shot, which was great for those who had not died yet. But by not acknowledging a large part of the population who were reluctant to get the Vax.......more people died than should have. This was idiotic.

 

That's actually not common sense. That's the opposite of Common Sense.

Common Sense would tell you that when the best medical professionals in the world suggest you wear masks and get a vaccine that you freaking do it.