OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO USE FACTS FOR MONTHS. Even when we do they are dismissed and argued. Whether it’s statistics, science, history, nothing matters. There is absolutely nothing left to say. Anti vax, anti mask, etc don’t want to be told what to do and for sure don’t want to agree with the left who seem to be just about all in on the vaccine. There is no argument to be had at this point. “It is too rushed” - now what? “It isn’t FDA approved” - now what? “It doesn’t work” - check the goddamn numbers and data from those dying.

 

and some of us are concerned about ulterior motives skewing numbers and stats to fit their narrative. some people who push the stats and facts claim the other side twists things to fit their narrative, but refuse to acknowledge maybe.. just maybe, the other side.. thier side, can do the same.
its so one sided from some, its hilariously scary.

some blindly trust numbers that come out from those they side with politically. On both sides.

im skeptical of both, but get annoyed with the hypocrisy of some that blindly trust thier numbers while dismissing others because of an agenda.

Like big pharma cant have an agenda? The government?

Capital society after all. The american way. Take advantage of a situation for profit.
And if some are so willing to blindly follow and trust “thier government” while claiming the other side has an agenda… well the jokes on them.

 

At the end of the day there are several reliable and reasonable sources for this information. I don’t think many in here are going to some extreme left source and copying and pasting nonsense. We leave that for Maris. Also, we (Americans) have been absolutely bombarded with Trump and his cronies forcing the “fake news” agenda for 5 years so now every single thing is apparently a lie. The fbi, the cdc, all of it, just a big lie. It’s exhausting. We have a huge % who still read Facebook conspiracies and believe them over legitimate institutions. Is everything always perfect, no. But the govt isn’t out to get everyone and lying about every single thing. It’s out of control to the point that it is fundamentally ruining the country and dividing it like never before. It’s flat out dangerous and infuriating.

 

If you say so. But it's not a media-invented narrative.

There's long-standing and justified mistrust in general in minority communities. There is also the issue, as has been mentioned by others, that some minority communities only get their news from very specific sources, often one of the few that speak in their language. This isn't a society in which everyone feels welcomed and integrated. That generally doesn't affect white society very much, so gets ignored, except in situations like this--when there's a societal threat and it's impossible to get everyone on the same page to fight it.

 

When the legitimate numbers are supported by the best medical professionals and are repeatable across many demographics they are reliable.

There is no legitimate reason to think Fauci is corrupt. There is no reason to think that if he were corrupt he would have the support of every other legitimate epidemiologist in the world.

There is no logical reason to distrust all of these things when they are all in agreement.

There would be legitimate whistle blowers with hard evidence. Nobody has been able to support their skepticism with anything remotely close to legitimate.

 

If you get all your "facts" from the television.

 

I don't watch television, so... Not sure what you're getting at...

 

Is that a good combo @barfo?

 

got my booster this evening.

pfizer after jnj in the spring. sore arm and slight fever for now-- nothing notable. hopefully, this is it cuz the jnj hit me like a ton of bricks.

 

That's also where the highest crime rates are. Do you know why? Because high density areas have their criminals plus the ones from low density areas where there are fewer jobs and less money. If low density areas were to keep their problematic residents at home you'd have a lot less trouble in those big cities you refer to. By the way, Molalla has a far worse drug problem than Portland.

 

What site are you referring to?

 

I call bullshit. Do you have a credible link supporting that bullshit?

 

i agree. It is infuriating. But the masters behind the curtain don't change. Just the faces of politicians they buy. Big corp runs both parties and the news outlets.
Thats why i stick to my ideals regardless of party and dont trust most politically pushed news.

 

How can someone say they don't trust politically pushed news when they spout it over and over? CDC, NIH not perfect but they are not politically pushed news.

 

Anything funded will be funded by people with agendas….
No one said the cdc was politically pushed news. But the cdc is funded by some with special interests. and that brings skepticism to what is rolled out and accurate news and stats.

Coming from four years of fake news by trump that so many bitch about, i would think there would be some understanding for others who have the same concern now.

https://www.ashclinicalnews.org/online-exclusives/cdc-pressed-acknowledge-industry-funding/

 

okay. That's such a cop out man. Only discuss what interests you..

So anything that might prove a statement you make incorrect may not interest you so you wont discuss it, which is exactly what happened initially.
You refused to address something that was showing inaccuracies in your post because it didn't “interest” you.

such a cop out…

and why i dont take anything you and some others’ posts seriously. Been this way for years.

an honest discussion involves discussing things that may not be of interest, bUt still relevant to the topic of discussion. You pick and choose and dismiss based on your interests, nOt based on the conversation at hand. So your conversing isn't honest aNd real.


i wont comment on anything that doesn't interest me. Well most people aren't interested in being wrong. So nice way of just dismissing all errors on your part. Because they aren't….interesting….

What a bs excuse…