OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. SlyPokerDog

    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Looks like the discussions that Royo is talking about starts at post #22315.

    Not seeing where anyone is saying obesity is not a health problem.
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Getting vaccinated is now giving up your freedom!!!??? Good fucking god almighty! We will NEVER get through this!!
     
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    Australian man self-immolates after ranting against Covid vaccines

    An Australian man was critically injured after he doused himself in gasoline and lit himself on fire in public on New Year’s Day after ranting against vaccines, according to local reports.

    The gruesome act of self-immolation occurred just after 8 p.m. local time in the Richmond section of Melbourne when the man poured the gasoline on himself and his vehicle while shouting expletives regarding the state of Victoria’s new COVID-19 vaccine mandate, according to the Herald Sun.

    Witnesses said police and firefighters tried to douse the burning man with water as he exited the vehicle, still shouting. With the help of five bystanders, officials restrained the man and put him into an ambulance that transported him to the Alfred hospital.

    “His skin was burning. He was on fire,” a woman, who did not want to be identified, told the Herald Sun. “His skin is stuck to my shirt. He was just off his face [intoxicated] screaming about the vaccine mandates.”

    A spokesperson for the hospital told the paper that the man was in critical but stable condition.

    One witness, Lydia O’Connor, was dining at a nearby restaurant when she said she heard the man’s screams.

    “He poured gas on himself and on his car. It was on purpose,” she said.

    “He was screaming about mandates,” she said. “He was screaming ‘No vax ID,’ and throwing books.”



    https://nypost.com/2022/01/02/australian-man-self-immolates-after-ranting-against-covid-vaccines/
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Yep
     
  5. royo

    royo Well-Known Member

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    Well, I wasn't starting from getting vaccinated = giving up freedom. I was talking about Orwell's society, but let's see. Is forcing someone to be vaccinated against his will an act of taking away his freedom?
    Imagine dr fauci says that you need to get a heroin shot. It is a law. You don't want it. But it is a law. Most people around take it. You are not sure about it. But they force you. What you do?
    There is Nuremberg Code to protect you from this kind of stuff.
     
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    Why post a tweet that disproves itself? She was outside... Not in a bar.
     
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    But nobody has said that. You are free to refuse the vaccine. That may mean you lose access to certain things you want to do, or be fired from your job.

    But that's not what you said.

    Anybody who has refused the vaccine should be dropped from insurance immediately or have their insurance rates doubled. They should not be allowed in a hospital until they have been vaccinated.

    They can go out to covid tents in the parking garage instead.
     
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    Not logical.

    I mean if you have to stop at a red light, then they can put you in prison to keep you from crossing the intersection!!!!!
     
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    None.
    I mean, people couldn't go to visit their families. Couldn't spend Christmas together. Let alone people dying alone in hospitals, cos you can not visit them.

    Of course you couldn't visit your friend for few drinks. It is just like in Persepolis, but it is surely not freedom abuse.

    Going out from your home was ok as well, unless they put you on quarantine.

    How about freedom of speech. No cases here. They just ban you for missinformation.

    You have to show your Kennkarte to visit cinema or restaurant. I don't see the problem here.

    There were no significant changes in your freedoms at all.

    We can argue about need of those changes, but you can't tell me they are not here.
     
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    EL PRESIDENTE Username Retired in Honor of Lanny.

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    That's a pretty famous Drag Queen Brunch restaurant/bar in Miami.

    This is the recommendation from New York, where she's from:

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-face-covering-faq.pdf
    In any case, in light of this recent surge, people really shouldn't be partying in bars, inside or out. She represents her district in NY, a place with record COVID-19 infections. She should set the example, stay home and stay masked up, not escape NY to somewhere that is open.



    DeSantis welcomes her, though:

    “Glad to see AOC enjoying the Florida freedom and sunshine, but it’s sad that school children in NYC are forced to eat lunch outside in freezing temperatures this winter due to the draconian and useless COVID policies pushed by AOC and her fellow progressives,” DeSantis spokeswoman Christina Pushaw told The Daily Wire.
     
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    So should obese people.
     
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    An older coworker of mine (I wouldn't call her obese, but overweight for sure) was nervous about coming into the office after a couple people tested positive for covid. No problem, that makes sense, work from home until you feel safe. Same coworker has a cruise scheduled for next month. What an idiot.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Many of those aren't actually enforced, just advice/suggestions. Those that are, we've 'given up' similar 'freedoms' in the past. For example, on misinformation, we gave up our freedom to shout 'fire' in a theater long ago.

    You haven't made a case that any of this is more important than any of the other 'freedoms' we have given up. Riding a motorcycle w/o a helmet? Shooting guns off in city limits? Not making our 10-year-olds work to support us?

    Did any of those result in a slippery slope into 1984? If not, why should these?

    Society has been making rules that restrict your freedom for thousands of years. Freaking out about being encouraged to get a shot because 'freedom' seems wildly out of proportion.

    barfo
     
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    They are talking about changing the CDC guidelines again. 5 days quarantined followed by a negative COVID test.
     
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    I respect your opinions, barfo, but if you can compare total lockdowns to riding a motorcycle w/o helmet I can compare them to what has happened in 1933 in Europe.
     
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    Her mother lives there...she was visiting her mother for the holidays.....just like you didn't stay in LA either...you went to Portland to see family right? If you point the finger you need to also walk the walk my friend.....where I live also the police don't arrest you for not wearing a mask but don't try to fly or go to a Blazer game that way
     
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    public safety is not racial profiling or genocide so that's not a fair comparison
     
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    There are few things in the world more utterly revolting than privileged comfortable people, who have never known a day's discrimination or oppression, comparing themselves living with a minor inconvenience to millions of murdered Jews or tens of millions of kidnapped enslaved Black people.
    Just puke. Disgusting. Ignorant and arrogant.
     
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    I didn't go to any crowded gatherings/parties with strangers, maskless. I didn't meet up with any friends in Oregon either.

    I gave up free floor seats to the Blazers/Lakers game because of the surge. Shit is too wild, AOC is a public figure, she should set a better example. But rules for thee, not for me.

    She got caught, and said that people were criticizing her because they want to bang her.

    She also tried to dunk on DeSantis, who hadn't been seen in public, but was attending to his wife who has cancer and he took her to get treatment.
     
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