OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

Nah, conspiracy theory. Just fringe crazy stuff that most of the media happens to be reluctantly admitting now.

 

I’m not arguing your point about the vaccines not being a one time thing. I get it, just like I get that I can still get the flu if I take the flu vaccine. All these vaccines do is reduce the risk of catching the disease (and possibly mitigate the effects if taken ill). It’s why so many Americans religiously get an annual flu shot. And I expect it will be the same for the corona virus. I know for a fact that I have been exposed and have remained healthy. I have traveled fairly extensively and have remained unaffected. I believe, based on solid personal evidence that the vaccine has greatly reduced my chances of getting ill. Again, basic, inarguable common sense. Is there a chance I will catch the disease? Absolutely. But if I do, it is highly unlikely I will take up a hospital bed that someone else might actually need more than I. Where I am struggling is that the antivaxxers have made their choice. They have taken their stand. Live or die with it. But don’t let other people live or die with it because of personal selfish choices. That verges on criminal IMO. But if they chose to refuse the vaccine, tough shit. End of story.

 

You have a strange way of basing your entire argument around caring about these people while simultaneously saying fuck it let em die.

This seems to be the cyclical theme though when I present people with pretty basic, accessible mainstream data.

“I’m protected because the vaccine works”
“Then why do you care if I am vaccinated or not?”
“You spread it and I don’t”
“You spread it just as much, look at these countries”
“Hospitals are full!”
“No, they aren’t”

Repeat.

It seems many of you are just deathly afraid of this disease, but also coping with the fact that you are burnt out of all this lockdown shit. You need someone to direct the blame at and feel your neighbor is an easier target than the government who locked you up, and possibly funded the research that birthed this virus in the first fucking place. Your anger is misdirected.

 

So, if I understand correctly, your biggest beef is the potential of non-vaccinated folks taking up precious hospital space, etc.?

 

the way some of this shit gets interpreted…. is further proof of how our education system is so fucked (like our health care system). So many people clearly struggle to read and process information.

 

I literally quoted nothing in this article. Not one single thing. Nor did I attempt to. So you’ve defeated your own premise in the first sentence. But, I’ll bite anyway. Where’s the part that supports the unhinged hatred against the unvaccinated? I argued against the notion that the unvaccinated were killing others. Who? Other unvaccinated people, (maybe)? Why do you care? Fuck em, right? Or are the hospitals “full” again today? That is usually the argument that follows the crumbling of the “we’re all gonna die” narrative. This article you linked proves exactly the point I was making by the way. Extremely high vaccination rate, extremely high case rate. Doesn’t stop spread, clearly. If the vaccine works against morbid sickness, great! Go get it. Nothing here supports the misguided notion that I’m going to kill you with my cooties.

 

What was false? Which claim, mod?

 

Hmmmmm...endemic?

 

Omicron appears to be a milder variant. Does that necessarily (in and of itself) say the vaccines are working?

The models' data notwithstanding.

https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...id-19-deaths-08f8db29985b992d5ef98ccfa1459eb7

 

Hot off the press (Jan 19, 2022):

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm?s_cid=mm7104e1_w

Once again, scientific proof that vaccination protects against hospitalization significantly more than natural immunity from prior infection alone. Get vaccinated people.

 

Quote, please.

 

That countries have not very successfully contained the spread of covid...first false claim....Africa dropped the ball completely and let European travelers in when covid hit Europe...once covid free now Tanzania and Uganda are washed over with cases and few doctors per capita...even fewer respirators....you should study the New Zealand and Taiwan approach to stopping the spread and stop denying it's success in wake of failures in countries who ignored it....South Africa had 100k deaths in a matter of weeks after ignoring it....yeah...not all obese people either. The spreading of disinformation based on failed American stubborness in combating the spread is the fault of irresponsibility....nothing to do with political conspiracies other than the lies the Trump admin first trotted out to the public when we had just a few cases....live and learn. I don't want people to die of this but because of denial....it's lasted twice as long as it should have ...we'd already be in the endemic phase if so many people had just followed safety measures diligently.....as it is we can get to the endemic phase if we contain it well enough for the rest of the winter. Talk is cheap...walk the walk. America has an embarrassing record of safety compliance throughout this global pandemic....nothing to brag about. There are thousands of virologists around the world that aren't your Fauci boogey man......some aren't even wealthy...go figure...but all have come to mostly the same conclusions about covid....you're free to make the choices you claim to have made but really, you're spreading lots of misinformation along the way

 

Let’s be clear about something; I DO NOT care about “these people”, because they do not care about me. My argument from start to finish is, “fuck ‘em. Let em die”. At least I’m being honest, whether that makes me an asshole or not. I AM vaccinated, and so far the vaccine has worked because I have not gotten the virus despite being exposed (likely on a daily basis). I have no doubt that vaccinated people spread it as much as unvaccinated people. But facts show that hospitals are full up with unvaccinated people who have gotten Covid. Is every hospital in America full? Fuck no. But I see/hear first hand evidence virtually every day that local people who require hospitalization for things like cancer, surgical procedures, etc, etc, etc are being turned away because there are no beds thanks to unvaccinated Covid patients. It is a truth that you (or anyone else) cannot deny, no I matter how much you may desire to.

I do not “hate” the unvaccinated. So please don’t accuse me of that. I simply have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If that makes me a “bad” person, so be it. Nor am I “deathly afraid of this disease”. If I was I wouldn’t have taken a part time job in customer service. The vaccine gave me the confidence to deal with it (and seems to be doing a fine job so far). And I find it far, far, far more justifiable to blame the unvaccinated for prolonging the pandemic than blaming the government (as you seem to be doing). Just whose anger is misdirected? Hey, it’s possible we could BOTH be correct! But I guess we all have to blame someone, eh?

 

Yes. Along with helping to prolong the pandemic.