OT Coronavirus: America in chaos, News and Updates. One million Americans dead and counting

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  1. magnifier661

    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Looked at the IHME site. Doesn’t report the tests per million. Do you have that number?
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    This newly formed MAGA circle jerk on this forum is driving me away. When people can't even get a glimpse of reality while praising their Dear Leader, it's pointless to even post anymore.

    Are people really this deluded? WTF is wrong with all of you? 24000 Americans have died yet you will keep defending this orange asshole til the end. What more does he need to do for you to realize the truth? If this vocal group here is any indication of what's to come in November, I am so worried.
     
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    theintercept.com

    Trump PR Stunt Falls Flat, as White House Video Exposes His Failure to Prepare for Pandemic

    Donald Trump grinned broadly on Monday as he tricked the news networks into broadcasting a taxpayer-funded testimonial to his own leadership, in the form of a video highlight reel of presidential statements on the coronavirus crisis, set to stirring music, unveiled during the president’s 29th daily briefing on the pandemic.

    The video, which was riddled with errors and deceptively edited, was apparently intended to rebut a damning report on the front page of Sunday’s New York Times that detailed how slow Trump had been to take the threat posed by the virus seriously. While Trump was obviously pleased by the production — he pointed to the screen with a look of smug triumph at several points — he seemed unaware as it was unspooling in the White House briefing room that it contained a fatal flaw that helped reinforce the central argument of The Times report.

    The compilation of clips, selected by the White House social media director, Dan Scavino, attempted to create an alternative history of the first months of the crisis, according to which the American media initially “minimized the risk,” but the president “took decisive action” nonetheless, only to be unfairly maligned by his political opponents, before the nation’s governors came together to sing his praises.

    The centerpiece of the video was a timeline of actions by Trump and his administration, highlighting the partial ban on travel from China he ordered on Jan. 31, and his declaration of a national emergency on March 13.

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    A screenshot of a White House video timeline of the coronavirus crisis.

    Photo: White House

    But, as the CBS News correspondent Paula Reid pointed out to Trump after the video ended, there was a huge gap in the timeline: it mentioned absolutely no action by him in February and there was, as The Times had noted, a period of “six long weeks” after the travel restrictions until he “finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing.”

    In fact, the only entry on the video timeline for February — the month Trump held mass campaign rallies and described criticism of his handling of the virus from Democrats as “their new hoax” — was Feb. 6: “CDC Ships First Testing Kits.” The fact that those test kits were defective, a massive failure at a critical moment, seems like an odd thing to brag about.

    Well into March, Trump was downplaying the new coronavirus as no more threatening than the flu.

    So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!

    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 9, 2020

    Having seemed so pleased with himself while the video was playing, Trump looked stunned by Reid’s observation that its timeline showed the period of inaction The Times had described. “The argument is that you bought yourself some time,” by imposing the partial travel ban from China, Reid noted. “You didn’t use it to prepare hospitals, you didn’t use it to ramp up testing.”

    As Trump interrupted to denounce her as “so disgraceful,” the correspondent pressed on to ask what, exactly, Americans were supposed to take away from his gauzy video tribute to himself? “Right now nearly 20 million people are unemployed. Tens of thousands of Americans are dead. How is this sizzle reel or this rant supposed to make people feel confident in an unprecedented crisis?”

    Trump had no response but to shift back to praising himself for restricting travel from China in January. “But what did you do with the time that you bought?” Reid asked. “The month of February… the video has a gap.”

    After the briefing, Eric Lipton, one of the authors of the investigation that so enraged Trump, observed on Twitter that nothing in the video or the president’s comments “undermines even a single fact in the stories we published over the weekend.”

    “The truth remains that the nation’s top health advisers concluded as of Feb. 14 that the U.S. needed to use targeted containment efforts to slow the virus spread,” Lipton added. “Trump then waited until March 16 to announce his support for these measures.”

    [​IMG]Read Our Complete CoverageThe Coronavirus Crisis

    The inadvertently revealing timeline was not the only flaw with the propaganda video produced by Scavino, Trump’s former caddie.

    It began with a sequence lifted directly from the March 26 edition of Sean Hannity’s Fox News show: a series of clips of medical experts for ABC, NBC and CBS wrongly predicting in January that Americans would not be badly hit by the virus. Those clips seemed to be included as an effort to embarrass reporters from those networks, but their statements at the time were almost identical to the comments from Dr. Robert Redfield, the CDC director, who said at a coronavirus task force briefing on Jan. 31: “I want to emphasize that this is a serious health situation in China, but I want to emphasize that the risk to the American public currently is low.”

    That opening montage also includes a misleadingly edited clip of Hannity asking Dr. Anthony Fauci in January if American experts might go to China if the coronavirus outbreak there was worse than expected. In March Hannity tried to claim that this was proof that he had “warned” of a pandemic. In fact, before that clip was edited it showed that Hannity had just been asking Fauci about sending American experts to China to “help them out to try to contain this” there. Like Trump, Hannity had spent all of February comparing Covid-19 to the seasonal flu, and by the end of March he too was backpedalling furiously.

    Another bizarre aspect of that sequence is that it ends with Dr. David Agus, a CBS News medical correspondent, stating that “coronavirus is not going to cause a major issue in the United States.” Agus is now a major proponent of the experimental use of the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid-19 and has reportedly spoken directly with Trump about the possible benefits of the treatment that the president has become fixated on.

    The third section of the video — about Trump’s supposedly unfair treatment by political opponents — takes audio of the Times correspondent Maggie Haberman out of context to distort its meaning. Haberman was one of six reporters who wrote the article that angered Trump. In an interview with “The Daily” in March, Haberman did call Trump’s order to slow travel from China “a pretty aggressive measure against the spread of the virus,” but the White House edit omitted what she said immediately after that. “The problem is, it was one of the last things that he did for several weeks.”

    “He did not do anything after that in terms of alerting the public, or telling people to be safe, or telling people to take precautions,” Haberman added, according to a transcript of the original interview. “And it basically squandered several weeks within the U.S.”

    That same sequence included two false annotations in on-screen text of other statements by Haberman about Trump’s partial ban of travel from China. When she said, “He was accused of xenophobia,” an image of Joe Biden appeared, over the date March 12. Biden, however, was not referring to Trump’s travel ban in a speech he gave on that date; he was criticizing Trump’s nativist reference the day before, when he had shut off travel from most of Europe, to what the president called the “foreign virus.”

    “Downplaying it, being overly dismissive or spreading misinformation is only going to hurt us and further advantage the spread of the disease, but neither should we panic or fall back on xenophobia,” Biden said. “Labeling Covid-19 a foreign virus does not displace accountability for the misjudgments that have been taken thus far by the Trump administration.”

    The fact that Trump subsequently made a point of calling the new coronavirus “the Chinese Virus,” inciting hatred of Asians and Asian-Americans even in his own White House, makes his claim to have been falsely accused of xenophobia all the more absurd.

    Moments later in the video, as Haberman said, “He was accused of making a racist move,” an image of Nancy Pelosi appeared, over a citation to The Hill from Jan. 31. However, as the report in The Hill makes clear, Pelosi had, in fact, been referring to another travel ban issued by Trump that day — “adding Myanmar, Eritrea, Kyrgyzstan, Nigeria, Tanzania and Sudan to the travel ban that the President instituted three years ago” — when she denounced him for imposing “such biased and bigoted restrictions.”

    The news conference on Monday, which brought the president’s time in the briefing room in past month to more than 40 hours, was yet another example of Trump hijacking for his own ends what was previously a news conference dedicated to conveying vital information about a public health emergency. The president, however, seems to regard the free time on television each day as primarily an opportunity for self-promotion.

    That was made clear at one stage when Trump told reporters that, after watching the video, “most importantly, we’re going to get back on to the reason we’re here: which is, the success we’re having.”


    https://theintercept.com/2020/04/14...house-video-exposes-failure-prepare-pandemic/
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Ah yes, try and shame those that with opposing views to fall in line. How dare you disagree with our moral echo chamber. :eyeroll:
     
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    It's just Mags, while pro Trump he has also been respectful of views that are different than his.

    I wish you wouldn't go, you bring factual and interesting information to this virus discussion and what you're doing in real life during this has been fascinating to follow.
     
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    24000 people have died, 20 million people have lost their jobs, including people in this very forum. Yet we sit here watching people defend this shit this guy does. I mean, a fucking propaganda video to start off his press conference with such obvious holes? A guy who disrespects every facet of the media that don't suck up to him? A guy who claims he has totalitarian power? How is this any better than North Korea?

    What conservative GOP mainstay believes in this? This is beyond party politics. It's fanatical idolization of a nasty human being who has no morals or conscience.
     
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    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    He should have used a private email server or deleted some emails.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Sensationalism doesn’t trump actual facts. Call the balls and strikes. Orange Man Bad arguments won’t win elections. Sorry...
     
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    I don't have that number and I'm not sure where to find it

    I'm thinking a better gauge might be the rate of testing vs positive results; tests/positives, because that would point toward further pressing need of testing:

    Oregon - 19.65
    Idaho - 10.4
    Washington - 9.0
    California - 8.5
    Nevada - 8.6

    those are states that border Oregon

    Utah - 19.4
    Arizona - 11.7
    New Mexico - 24.5
    Montana - 23.1
    Michigan - 3.2
    Florida - 9.5
    New York - 2.45

    https://www.politico.com/interactives/2020/coronavirus-testing-by-state-chart-of-new-cases/

    obviously, states with small populations are going to generally have higher rates of testing. And states with high rates of infections will tend to have a lower ratio
     
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    I would wait a day to gauge this. We had a blip in testing, counting, and reporting because of Easter at our site locally, and got absolutely slammed yesterday. I'm sure this is true nationwide. This isn't getting any better.
     
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    tl;dr

    Trump is full of shit and so are his sycophants.
     
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    trump seldom speaks with actual facts though. He lies, he bullies, he attacks, he dodges, he deflects he defers and is often ill informed on the subjects he speaks of because he doesn't want his aides to put forth any bad news and refuses to have daily briefings. Other than that, he's still a shitty president. :headbang:
     
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    I’m actually impressed with the west coast states. They definitely were proactive with getting in front of the virus.


    With that said, I’m just curious on the tests/mil stat.
     
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    And most likely, he will win this November. I can’t imagine how explosive this site will be when that happens.
     
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    After firing half the republicans in DC...I don't think your guy is adding to his voter base...quite the opposite. If your starting pitcher can't throw a strike, he's getting sent to the minors....Trump will have to go play overseas after the next election. I guessing he'll move to Saudi Arabia or Russia to avoid public heckling he's going to be saddled with here at home.
     
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    Here are some facts and insight for you from someone who has been volunteering 3x a week at a testing site over the past month+ :

    We still do not have enough tests available for everyone. Even if you are symptomatic and are bedridden and hospitalized, people are not getting tested because they simply are not available and severely limited. When Trump rolled out that bullshit Abbott antibody test, he failed to mention that it takes 15 minutes to do ONE test for ONE person, and that it requires quite a few other equipment to actually be functional. It is not a large-scale save all that he thinks it is. That limits its use greatly when clinics have one device at their facility. The PCR tests, while more high-throughput are so backed up that we can't get results to even the VERY sick people even 72 hrs after they take it. In that time, their situations are either getting severely worse or they are recovering and by the time they get them, it's fairly pointless half the time. I personally have been forced to turn away people who clearly have it because we are limiting its use to Healthcare workers and people on the front line. It is heartbreaking. We had a 12 yr old call in to get himself and his mom who was immunocompromised to get tested but we had to turn them away because they didn't have prescriptions from a doctor (that they don't HAVE because even the most basic healthcare is a privilege in this country and not a right).

    Until widespread testing is done to gauge the true spread, it is IMPOSSIBLE to return to normal life, no matter how much your president wants to. And I know neither he nor you and your buddies want to hear that because of your precious economy, but that isn't sensationalism, it is reality. And this falls solely on his shoulders for the lack of preparation and his absolute ignorance of facts, science and data. Instead of focusing on this, he likes to make propaganda videos that his base eats up. It is absolutely unfathomable to me that this is what this country has become, and what's worse is that his supporters are so blinded that they can't acknowledge what he has done.
     
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    We will soon find out. Trump still has a 96% (higher than he had back in November 2016) approval with Republicans and his independents approval is much higher than what he had back in November 2016.

    also, enthusiasm for Trump is at 56%, which is higher than 2016, while Biden’s enthusiasm is at a low 26% (Hillary had a 64% enthusiasm back in 2016).
     
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    sure....unfortunately, were are a long, long ways from the finish line

    that's the 3rd time I've posted those calculations

    the first time Oregon was at 19.9. The second time it had dropped to about 14. Now it's back over 19. The curve for Oregon looks good too. But a couple of bad days or a bit of a hot spot can alter trajectory

    and of course, easing up on the brakes could fuck things up big time. The virus isn't going away. We may get some reprieve over the summer but there will likely be significant flare-ups until there's a vaccine

    by the way, thanks for your work on Covid. I hope you stay safe
     
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    Now let’s have that same “outrage” of the European countries that acted later than the US? Let’s see those reports too.
     
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